I AM looking for speed, given a baseline. I am NOT looking for the advanced portrait features jimbo is listing, because there is no chance they give me speed. Obviously, those features have their place, normally for single-frame renders. So, you are right, maybe the thread title is misleading. Let's put it this way, I am an animator looking for more speed than Poser can give me (i am flexible on the "half"), but I want a baseline of realism. I guess that's what I meant. Since I have to have dynamic hair, but this is the problem in render time, is their a non-Poser dynamic strand hair model more sympatico with Carrara? ::::: Opera :::::