Thanks, but I've read every page of the docs, plus the tut sold here at Rendo, I forget the author. I can use the app (Designer 7) just fine, but there's a lot I don't like about it that I don't want to rehash here. It would just be redundant to old posts ;) The history of Amapi (several versions) is a good example of why not to release software prematurely. I hope they don't do the same thing with the above mentioned app.