Thanks to the both of you, Christina and ren_mem. I appreciate the suggestions. Funny thing about halibut, they do come up, even to the surface. I live in Alaska where I hear of all kinds of strange fish stories, but I do know I've had halibut follow up bait from the bottom and hit it twenty feet off bottom. They will even follow another fish up that is being brought up by a fishing line. Anyway, think I'll work on the shrimp. I was just at digimation, a 3d site that sells models and man, I don't know what I'm seeing. There are models that I've seen around before, for sale, for lots of money... The digital model market must be a hard one to defend. I will think twice before posting a model online now. Check it out. Question on caustics... when I use it without changes to the default settings, my scene becomes too bright. What is a good rule of thumb? 2 lights, turn down caustics by 1/2 or something? Robert

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