I just visited the developers site at Apple... developer tools. I downloaded Apple's XCode2.2 - 800 megs!. Also downloaded the CodeWarrior limited version (free) and it popped up several messages that said Apple Developer Tools not loaded, hance my 800 meg. download. Maybe I'm in over my head. I'm reading the docs and can't find the "older plug-ins" you mentioned Eric. Wonder if Apples nex tools can do it too... but Carrara SDK has two plugs that go into CodeWarrior 9+ to make it work... I don't know if I know what I'm talking about... Ugh. I just need to wade in and start learning. R

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