Timberworlf. I also have the option to upgrade my C4D from 8 to the current Rev. 9.5 and I won't for 2 factors: 1. the upgrade price is way, way, way too much. Over 1 thousand bucks just cause i didn't keep up with the upgrades. reason #2 and the best reason. 2. I have C5Pro and I can really call it a "Pro" release it cover everything that I need. SDS, Fresnel, Objects as particles, replicate on surface, Ambient Oclussion, Sub-surface stattering, Translucency, Motion Tracking imports, export to RLA and After Effects....all of those cover about 80 % of why anyone would want C4D so do I spend over 1k in upgrade or do I just upgrade to C5Pro its a no brainer. C5Pro wins. So I will tell Rafie Barbos the C4D sales person that always calls me to sell me plugins and stuff that I will not be upgrading. Not even if she gives me another free C4D t-shirt. ;-) Ringo