GWeb, no offense taken. This is a Carrara Forum, and I am having great fun with the C5Pro beta. My comments relative to Vue were based on my very unhappy, love/hate relationship with e-on's flagship product. This Carrara beta release is very stable! It looks like we can look forward to a rock-solid final product. The ability to precisely populate objects on a terrain is remarkable. The vertex modeler is much better and the edge tools and bevel are quite cool. You know the nice tutorial we have here on making the gear? Well such objects are now really easy to do by replicating gear teeth on a disk. After playing around with the materials editor, I can say that it is way ahead of C4Pro! Drag & drop, copy & paste. At this point I would recommend C5Pro for anyone wanting to do low-medium, and some high level 3D modeling/landscaping/architecture/rendering. And yes, a symmetrical modeling tool would be nice.