Yes, forgot about flay.com. Great site. Went there and selected a search to just list FREE plug-ins. It came back with 797 available FREE plug-ins for Lightwave. Hummmm...that should keep someone pretty busy for awhile. And one doesn't have to worry about their finances either. Wow! I went over to associatedfx.com...are all 14 of those plug-ins FREE? Very impressive. {:-)