Yeah, It is a fine line between productivity and over kill:D VUE 5 infinite I was eyeballing because I like Landscapes. I think the open source community is also waking people up. Where are good places to get the scoop on LW? What are their upgrades like cost-wise? C5 may be awesome, just seems like C4 is a bit overpriced. The plugin people handle their plugin upgrades well tho. Certain things need to be built in to a modern 3D program. There literally was not a single book written for c4 and only one for c3. LW8 maybe slow on rendering ...will check it out tho.(wow says free up to 9 included). I have entered a dimension far beyond 3 I can tell you that, w/ all to consider:D

No need to think outside the box....
    Just make it invisible.