Thanks...believe me I am lurking and trying the demo. They include the amazing render w/ caustics etc.... I am concerned about the fact that they upgrade weird...you pretty much pay for 6 to 6.5, also flakiness.(I do remember this)It has tons in this deal, but I actually am turned off by so many plugins. They say 5 and up. I want to know what I have when I upgrade w/o all that headache. Also 7 is still not out.(no network stuff tho)I definitely am realizing that the render in c4p is very good tho(import/export too). This is what you get.(trueSpace6.6 plus aniPak, dePak, fxPak and rayPak - These Paks add easier control over skeletons, water surfaces that respond to animated objects, additional modeling tools for creating edge loops, new rendering options for the ultimate in realism such as caustics and global illumination, ways to simulate the movement of cloth, and much more!)The modeling and materials sound intrigueing... I was really hoping for more from Amapi.I would love to use my wacom tablet more in 3D work. For cheap program curvy 3d is pretty interesting.

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