I know there's a version 4 out because of another current thread that is going on right now. Sheesh! I'm not blind. I've only checked into this forum for the past 4 days because of my conversion problems with the Gemini XII I bought here. When I said I hadn't been paying attention I ment for the past few years since I bought RDS 5.5. Last time I paid attention to what was going on with the software they had just changed the name at Metacreations from Ray Dream to Carrara. Since I had just bought RDS 5.5 weeks before that change, I had no intention of upgrading at that time.