cckens, Thanks for the info. I like Carrara and I just got version 4 Pro. Has anyone rquested the use of multiple skeletons or the use of attaching or grouping objects to figures once the skeleton has been added? That would make things easier. I hear you on the turn on and of for the object for visability but that is a work around rather than the way I would like to have it. How exactly do you do morphs with the vertex modeler? I just make the parts (4-9) duplicate the parts with symetry then add the the bones with symetry. Are you saying you make the whole model in the vertex modeler at once and add morphs for the face while making the model? If it is a long answer you can email me at medeamajic@yahoo.com. I need to animate the face. I think you might have a better way than I am thinking.