Thanks, geep. Seems like the only difference is a little mesh on the thighs... I'll have to check why the .cr2 is 700k lighter. "Jessie is a total desater" I am sorry for my writing, I am self taught to read and write English and also I have motor impairment. I used to write in a program with spellcheck and then cut-and-paste to the forum but I have gotten lazy about that. As for what I mean about Jessie being a disaster Judy had the best and most realistic body in Poser I felt but was very difficult to modify the body, it fell apart under magnets etc. The Judy face was hideous, I cant imagine who created it or why, but the default Face Room face was wonderful no matter what you did with it. It was hard to make something that didnt look great in Face Room. And Don also had a terrific rugged appearance. Now one reason I upgrade to P6 was the thousands of new models it features ;) of course I didnt believe that, but I did think the P6 figures would be a step up from P5 "new hieghts in realism" etc. etc. James is quite handsome but it is difficult to get rid of that chiselled jaw line without magnets I preferred the P5 Face Room head. The ecto, mezo, etc. morphs on the figures are nice but the Jessie figure is utterly Toon. When I first rendered it I half thought it was Mayadoll. No person could imagine this was human anatomy. The default Jessie face is pleasing but I cant seem to nudge a thing in Face Room without the head becoming a hideous characature. The morphs available pale compared to the superb P5 morphs as well. I did not appreciate that Poser 6 essentially released in conjunction with, and dependent on, a morph kit sold separately by the very people who I do believe created the figure for CL its like paying extra for the Revealed book which turns out to be a features enumerating manual by a technical writer rather than an actual instructional by a Poser user of some sort... it looks like it was "translated" directly from the Reference Manual, it is a usefull book for novices but it is not helping me to "master concepts on both a technical and artistic level" at an "intermediate" level. Anyway, CL cant seem to realize more people want a neutral default figure than a character who it is very difficult to individualize. A relatively low mesh but smooth and neutral figure such as Narcissis NEA is the way to go I think although Judy had just wonderful body sculpting and the Millennium figure have great range in the body morphs. For people who defend the Toon quality of Jessies body, the promotional materials lead me to believe that Jessie was represented as a realistic figure and that Laroo was the Toon element of the P6 content. This is my perspective. I am one of the few I guess who still uses Poser to attempt to create realistic figures as the basis for traditional art. I taught for many years, painting, drawing, anatomy, and digital 2D. I try to create settings and figure for traditional art and I try to do this by making realistic as opposed to idealized figures. But de gustibus non disputatum or however that goes