Lightwave's renderer is unquestionably the main reason I became interested in 3D, but I tried for months to get into to the interface.... When an app has a stranglehold on a pro market, they rarely feel the need to evolve. Today the "low-end" 3D apps are challenging the quality of even LW but with user-friendliness that Newtek never thought necessary. How many of those Emmys have been won lately? holly