'We have tried several times to have OT forums for general discussions unrelated to art but they have not been successful so we decided after closing the last one (The Den) that we won't be having an OT forum in the future. ' Not successful?....Tell it like it is...We're all grownups here and by and large we're all smart. We all get enough spin when politicians open their mouths. The OT forums were removed for commercial reasons and for fear of some delicate souls being offended. That's fine, it's Renderosity's site and their decision but...unsuccessful, don't think so :)