Well, I got the Magnolia blossoms to work in the plant modeller. And although the tree-branch structure itself probably isn't very magnolia-ish (magnolias are actually very evenly distributed and umbrella shaped) I think I'm a few days closer to an advanced tree tutorial.... I *almost* understand that huge intimidating array on the advanced panel.... must... hold it all... in head... hurts... augh. Thanks for your help! holly