gagnonrich: but whatever improvement is there isn't as drastically better over the earlier figures than the first Victoria was over the P4 characters. That improvement isn't jumping out at me.[unquote] Didn't exactly jump out at me either-- you trade off knee breaks for upper thigh oddities and bodies that are heftier-- which is why I stick to SP3. I think the realism in the face morphs are more important than the bending, but that reflects my priorities I suppose. After awhile, all the V2s really began to look alike. Just like the V3's sorta do now. Not that they have to, but there is this face that keeps showing up-- short nose, big round eyes, wide mouth, sort of eurasian french look to the character. I don't mind saying that-- cute as it undoubtedly is, I'm awfully sick of seeing it. I like angles in a face. Emily