Omigosh!!! I loved the first one, was iffy about the second and then you came up with this killer third!! You are Too Darn Good!! Number one: I been doing this for years and I couldn't have done the first render and post in 4 hours-- no way! Of course, I fiddle everything to death, but that's beside the point. Your first render would have felt like a masterpiece to me. Then, that "Day for Night" change you made in the last one. Ok, I personally would like a tutorial on how you did it. I have some ideas, but am not sure. Especially the Moon which is fabulous. I can tell you easily how to get the background to look further away. Select your main figures and maybe the foreground, maybe not-- invert the selection and apply a small amount of gaussian blur. Take that down so it just fuzzes a bit, like our eyes do with things in the distance-- instant depth of field. You can do that with closeup as well to guide the eyes where the meat of the picture is-- usually the face and hands. First render with two people!!??!! I agree with rwilliams, I want to see your work a couple of months from now-- you'll blow us all away. That looks like James in the render, is that Jesse in his arms? If so, you've also made two figures not thought highly of, very very attractive and effective in a beautifully dramatic render. Put it in the Poser gallery, I'll give you an Excellent rating. And for the record, shadows give me horrors in Poser, so don't feel too bad about those. Everybody rags on me about em too-- I don't care, too much work for too little effect.;)) But you fixed them anyway!! Emily