The trouble is that the feathers are enough detached from the "bird" and the image that you have seen is from the best camera angle, BTW it's necessary to have a good model before made some other tests... Thanks for the encouragement!! Also, we really need a plug in (or maybe some improvements on Agrows) to have major control on the direction and point of start of the tip objects. Maybe for now the best way to create realistic feathers is to use standard strands. But... -TOXE