I have much more of a problem with M3 than V3. They really did load her up with a ton of very changeable morphs, a few more came with the International pack but IMO that was to beef up SP3 who desperately needed it. Still, the best morphs for SP3 come from independant work not the Daz packs. As always, my opinion, exception are Bethany and Ceilie Mahan, both incrediable Steff morph, the latter really looks Irish and interesting. I have plans for her.heheheh. M3 is skinny, with a jaw that is almost impossible to eradicate--I seriously prefer M2, whose bod is horribly clunky. I don't mean this politically, but M3 reminds me of a nazi. It's not just the jaw as I'm terribly fond of the Freak. It takes a major effort to get that rail-thin SS image out of my head. Rawn's and Ghost of MacBeth's work have helped greatly. Nouschka also does seedy M3's that truly humanise him. What annoys me is that I can't seem to humanise him. M3 desperately needs the International morph exstension treatment. I got the sculpture kit but, haven't had much luck. Lazy, ya see. I can spend an afternoon dialing different V3's easily and happily. All pretty much Eastern European varieties, which is not what you see in the stores. Long noses, harsh cheekbones, deep sunk eyes. Not terribly young. But for an all round unimesh guy, give me David, a real human being with pudge problems-- you know he overdid the beer on the holidays and is making impossible diet promises for the New Year. I love David. He is certainly not limited to young, does middleaged much more comfortably than M3 who is the father-in-law you dread. And I want him in M3 clothes! Not possible since I refuse to learn the Cloth room. It seems so darn much work for a one time use of one article of clothing. Sheesh. All of Capsces's morphs are magnificent for working with. Don't be put off by the cartoony look. You don't have to use any of the morphs at full value. A teensy bit here and there and it's pretty easy to get to reality very fast. I haven't done anything with them since M2--lazy art moi--but it took all of ten minutes, probably less, to get a realistic Tartar leader and fit him in clothes,close enough for jazz. Her morphs are essential to any unimesh. I'm eagerly awaiting the possibilities for Aiko,since I passed on The Girl whom I'm very sorry I got. Lovely but very limited. In my hands. Oh, I have one story that involves her and toontown, if I ever get the energy to do it, but then. . .?? I hope we haven't thrown the original subject too much to the winds, but this has been an interesting discussion and just the thing I would want if I was considering buying poser for the first time. Emily