By the way,operaguy, I can understand your frustrations if that's as different as you were able to make V3-- she can be much more malleable than that and can look just about anyway you want-- I'll admit it's hard to make her look ordinary but possible. I like Stephanie for that. She has a set of sharper more sarcastic features. I like her for that. But My V3's don't look like your variants. For one thing, I don't like round faces and accent the cheekbones much more. I don't have much on my current machine, but here's one of my avatars made when V3 just came out. Emily