Thanks fellows, Shonner, I wish I had my original copy of Azhanti High Lightening, have you seen the price they go for on Ebay? I play on home made maps when some odler freinds drop by... Gweb thanks for the advise, I will use that backdrop with your permission, when I reach that point. Right now I'm just working to get the model right, which is hard enough.Everything right now is redered with eight distant lights, four above and four below, at the four "corners" and pointed at the object. mike