erlik you mixing up alot of tid-bits from different applications and just causing confusion. it is what it is. a 2d spline 'LOFTED' along a single spline. (if using the word 'path' makes it easier for you to understand then by all means, call it what you want) I called them splines because they ARE splines. you cant create objects from 'paths' in max. in max, you can connect these splines, overlap them, add vertices and weld them. to me, using the term 'path' is not the best use of the word to explain what 'I' was explaining. And since the actions are not called a 'path curve' or a 'sweep' it MUST mean Discreet messed it up, for every version that the 'lofting' function has been available. yup, they mustah!