i just dled gmax. ive been playing in wings the last week or so but i missed some of the max features which are available in gmax, like lofting and soft-selection - which my 'noobness' in wings doesnt allow. (not even sure if it has those features) gmax is a full on modeler with some of the more extensively used modifiers like bending and such. thank god! i thought i was gona be stuck in wings. lol. though ill still use it. wings IS good for some simple and fast 'gorilla modeling'.