well im already a vue user myself and im going to pick up vue5 pro once its out(was a part of the vue5 beta team and even tho i love vue5 esprit im waiting for vue5pro before i upgrade vue4), so my interest is more how the experienced carrara users use it together with vue. @ brian i to view carrara and vue as different applications that should be used together and not pitched against each other, and thats why im asking for feedback here from users of both vue and carrara and what they feel about using both apps together. been checking out the c3 demo earlier and im now playing around with c4pro, havent decided yet if carrara4 pro/basic is the right companion to vue5pro but ill make sure to give the demo a good long turn and i do like what ive seen so far. anyway, i appreaciate the feedback/thoughts ppl so keep on posting.