yep,i really cant wait to play with the new terrain stuff in carrara(im always satisfied with carrara) and btw,i had vue 4 and it always crashed on my win 2000 system last year so i sold it,now i have win xp pro but i will never use vue again,to much trouble,you can make the same stuff in carrara studio 4 pro now,i think.i use terragen for making sky backrounds and hdris,mojoworld for making planets(what else)and last time i used bryce was at the end of 2002 but then i bought carrara and everything changed.i need carrara studio 4 pro now.:)