The other thread is not dead. You have publicly claimed and admitted to be using software and models which you did not purchase and to which you have no legal rights. That is warez. We have a zero-tolerance policy on this site. No amount of quoting from copyright law will help unless that citation is pertinant and on point. I have asked Spike (site Admin) to look into this matter. I also wish to thank those people who have been courteous while trying to explain to you why it is wrong to possess and use both the software and the models. It is not just DAZ and CuriousLabs who are hurt, but the makers of all the rest of the software on your fully-loaded machine, and all the good people who have spent the last week trying to help you, without realizing the backstory. Carolly Poser Coordinator