I remember reading somewhere, that the art directors are much more concerned with the quality of the vision than with what tool was used to make that vision. This was based on the logic that you can train an artist to use any tool, but you can't train someone to have vision. My bryce skills have stood me well in moving to C4D in my opinion. The only real difference is in the addition of more controls/tools to speed things along that we have to work around in bryce. The scene composition and lighting principles are universal and photography has helped there as well. As a further thought, zandar's crit is the type of crit I would love to receive on my works and should be a model for us all to follow. Richard

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