id modelled 1/2 of a head..the left side..when i chose it and duped it with symmetry, instead of the 2 flat sides, where the nose would be, instead of it duplicating there..instead it duplicated to the outside of the head...i already moved it or id throw a pic up of it...lol..im used to it duplicating from, i guess, right to left..this time it did it right to right...i just thought it odd...i just got done modelling a leg and it did what i wanted it to ..lol..i just think its toying with me at this point..:)..thanks for your help..:)