I don't understand why some folks are so upset about this new state of affairs. If DAZ hadn't bought Bryce, Bryce was a Dodo, ie. dead, and now they have it I can't see them changing the fundimentals of what Bryce is. OK they could make changes that we don't like but if there are things we definately want to keep then the best way of going about it is by telling them, either in the forums or by emailing Steve Kondris directly. That's something you definately couldn't do with Corel. One thing DAZ seem to appreciate is that there is a strong Bryce user base and they know if they can bring us what we want we will go with it. So really I can't see them destroying our baby. Catlin