I would have to agree with you there SHONNER. Been working with it for about a day now, and I am getting along pretty well. This program has so many features for the money it seems like a steal. The plant generator is fascinating all by itself. Sometimes in life you stumble onto something and you think "Wow". For me that has been Carrara. So many features and the rendering is top notch. Like I said, I have worked for years with Lightwave. There are a lot of things with Carrara that Newtek could take lessons from. The lens flare editor is great, but I remember it has been great since the days of Infini-D. The plant generator, again is awesome and fun to explore, not to mention very useful. So many other things I could talk about in comparison with Lightwav, but for now I am too busy having fun exploring the program. Guess I'll get back to working with the demo now. Just wanted to re-iterate how pleased I am with Carrara so far. Donnie