Patrick I am all ear. Do you have tutorial? Yes I have noticed some limitations with Carrara and that is why I used ZBrush for symmetery modeling. Do Amapi have similiar to ZBrush symmetery transform function? One thing I hate the most in Carrara is that I have to click every polygons to make it move like symmetery. And it does not have all directions to move it. Lathe in Carrara has some problem. I told Eovia numberous of time that it need all 3 (axis) planes with beazer curve control on every section or points for more precision modeling.