Waldo, I have to totally disagree with you. You simply haven't learned how to use Amapi. After I spent a little time with Amapi, I couldn't stand to try and model in Carrara anymore, it was much more difficult to make what I wanted than in Amapi. All I do in Carrara is bring my models into the Vertex modler for shading domains or UV mapping. Extruding in Amapi is much better than latheing in Carrara's vertex modeler. Amapi has dynamic symmetry where you can see your smoothed version change as you manipulate the low poly side right next to it. Carrara's modeling technology is nowhere near as advanced as Amapi, and I'm just talking about Amapi Designer 7, Pro will be even more useful. Patrick Tuten