This is a helpful tutorial the cover-all layer is the key or appears to be. The problem for me on a mac with V2 is that I can have two sets of eyebrows. eyebrows and uppereyebrows. I am going to assume that I set both channels(materials etc) up the same. Will experiment when I get time. Is there some way to group those eyebrows together in poser since I can't use grouper? That tool in poser is awfully confusing though. Thanks for the reply and the link it helps in the great experiment and learning process.