hi Mr.Mongo... haha, I have tried everything... had it working, then opened later and the durn things would not manip... oh well, yea, I have found to type them in... what a guessing game hehe :) but... we are bound and determined to continue on with this Wings3D/Carrara Studio 2 project... here's a wip of what we are doing... and each part including the hydr rams etc have to be able to move... thus the objects must have the hotspot in the right places... haha, what a chore thus far, and I am only at step 1/2...haha