yeah...thats true. heres one experience i had with Poser lights-----i wanted a scene where i had a sunny blue sky outdoor lighting effects....so i looked around and found a PZ3 with that lighting effect....so i said "KEWL!".....i open it up and found that to simulate that outdoor light effect there were like 1000 light globes (im just exagerating for comedic effect)......so i said, "Man....I cant use this...it slows my comp like crazy!" but heres the thing....i decided to do a super duper crash test for Poser 5.....i said if i could render a scene using all lights without Poser 5 crashing then that would be the ultimate crash-proof test! so i did.....i turned on the shadows for ALL of the light globes and turned on the Production quality render then clicked on render.... any guy with a normal mind knows that something like this will take at least 4 hours to render on a Celeron 1Gig 512RAM comp....so i turned my monitor off.....got breakfast (at 1 in the afternoon).....slep for i forget how long.....woke up....checked the render.....and VOLLA!! the render completed!!!!!! i had the rendered image!!!! AND BEST OF ALL----NO KIDIN----POSER 5 DIDNT CRASH!!!!! Woooohoooh!! but when you render 100KB pics 5-6 times Poser 5 gets too tired and takes a nap...hmmm.....