thanx all master? lol...well usually only women call me that...lol (bad BT!!!..lol) lighting: it has one light way up in the sky that is a 'distant' light and is the sun it also has a lot of other lights that are bulbs that are low power and have falloff set (so to act more realistically) The textures are all images (except for those on the rail..and thats a default (sorta) carrara texture. c3 is really impressing me on the way it handles uv mapped objects now. It does a much better job than previous versions... tutorial? I tried to explain how I am doing the textures on this at the amapi forum at 3dcommune, but I think I over simplified it. These are uv mapped obj models..but Im not mapping them as "poser" users would, so it makes it a bit hard to explain. However, if you REALLY want me to try, I will :) BT