Hi all, thank you kindly for your honest answers... I sort was thinking myself, that it would be another version or so before they figure out just how the modeler should work for the modeler...hehe... and this though not so good for us who enjoy the look and feel of the app... it is non the less a reality eh... oh well Maybe v4 eh? lol I will still use v2 for all of my rendering for the present as it kicks butt for rendering eh :D thanx folks... I appreciate the honesty Have a good one, I will be back, with more work to show :D