Anything grows, lots of tweaking. And a simple shader. Just a mixer with turbulence as the blend and green and brown as the colors. Simple is oft best:) Thanks for the comments. And the work continues. If nothing else I'll see what anything grows looks like on the bird, even if I don't animate. The problem is that anything grows when animated, does a nice flicker effect, which in the next upgrade if one comes, I hope eric fixes if at all possible. Brian