Thanks everyone! Wait 'til you see the swan I'm working on at the moment! It's going to need some special jiggery-pokery for the webbed feetbut with the help of Bloodsongs experimental model based on Anton's tecniques, I do believe it can work! I'm eager to get experimenting on the neck but still a fair bit of modelling to go yet! Here's a couple of Rhino renders: you were the first to se it! Don't worry about the horizontal neck_ it hasn't swallowed a broom_ just makes mapping the neck and setting up the bones/EasyPose easier