The vertex modeler has been quite a frustration for me as of late. It not doing what I want it to do:) Yes DN thats what I mean, Carrara refers to the process of combining the bone rig and the vertex object or other objects as "skinning". Its called that in other programs as well. Lots of different names for the same thing out there;) I'll be moving this to another thread in the next day or so. With links to images. Since I'm sure not everyone is broadband here. I look forward to seeing your progress in Carrara. Brian