i spent the last couple of hours playing with v3 and my clothing. they mostly worked..."straight off". even with over the head arm poses. jim...i did read your thread at poser pros, it confused me. i may play with making my own morphs, in rhino, this weekend. however, for normal poses...even the ones with arms over head...there is not that much error. most of my problems seem to be occuring in the plain shoulder region..and with a bit of scaling or rotating...it fixes up pretty quick.