Cookies

tim · January 19, 2002 9:17 pm

Guys, Wanted to give you some background on the recent changes regarding cookies. A real problem of late has been a rapid increase of load & bandwidth use by the site due to "bandwith leeching". If you're not familiar with this term, it refers to someone linking to Renderosity images/files from other sites. We wind up serving the files, paying for the bandwidth and receiving no benefit. In the past, we have blocked this by using some browser provided information that tells the last web page a person was on before requesting an image. This information has been removed in the latest browsers so this technique will no longer work. We have been working out a new approach that involves the use of brower Cookies. I won't go into the details, but the technique effectively stops the use of Renderosity images on other sites and also stops scripters from pulling the Renderosity image galleries programmatically. The downside is visitors have to accept a cookie to view the images on the site. Given the magnitude of the problem, we've decided that is the lesser of two evils. Tim

Article Comments


Revelation-23 ( posted at 12:00AM Sat, 19 January 2002

Stopping people from hotlinking the images is a good thing. These pics aren't in the public domain, and thus not just anyone should be able to get them anywhere. If someone wants to show off these pics, let them make a link to the page the picture is on or a link to the artist's gallery.

Jack D. Kammerer ( posted at 12:00AM Sat, 19 January 2002

Having once been a part of the operation of this site, I can certainly understand this decision. Though it may mean that people will have to enable cookies to see images now, I would rather that be the case, then see this site close down because of Bandwidth Leeching. I am behind you 100% in this Tim!! Jack

SndCastie ( posted at 12:00AM Sat, 19 January 2002

I don't have a problem with it other sites are the same way too. Sorry to hear about the leeching problem wish people would stop trying to ruin things for others by doing stuff like this. So do what you have to I am behind you. :O)

wgreenlee1 ( posted at 12:00AM Sat, 19 January 2002

Well I guess you'll be able to track visitors habits now...is going to discourge visitors or what?

veazie ( posted at 12:00AM Sun, 20 January 2002

It's the lesser of two evils, so I don't mind too much.

daedster ( posted at 12:00AM Sun, 20 January 2002

Interesting approach to a sticky problem. Give us some warning about the identity of this particular cookie, as some of us reqularly delete cookies from sites we no longer visit.

graphicnovel ( posted at 12:00AM Sun, 20 January 2002

I'm cool with cookies, as long as you guys don't use the info saved on it. However I've been around long enough to know that u guys are really cool... so rock and roll baby... count me in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

susan_grimez ( posted at 12:00AM Sun, 20 January 2002

If your server is using Apache for the webserver, there is alot more better way of stopping bandwidth theft rather than using cookies. If your server is using Apache, let me know and I'll let you know how it is done. Actually, I did a test on your server just now while sending this. It looks like your server is running Apache on RedHat. Send me a email at renderosity@erotic-games.com and I'll send you directions on how to stop people from leeching files from your server. This will also save on server load. Ice Demon http://erotic-games.com http://hentai-comics.com

Fillingim ( posted at 12:00AM Sun, 20 January 2002

Alway thought there was a cookie left by Renderosity on my computer for that very reason! For the most part I am all for it based on the reasons given above in your statement, but at the same time it does lessen the security of my computer. I say do it in the end though!

Eowyn ( posted at 12:00AM Sun, 20 January 2002

Um... I'm not leeching R'osity's bandwidth if I put a link to the page where the image is, am I?

Shademaster ( posted at 12:00AM Sun, 20 January 2002

Good thing about that cookie stuff, makes surfing faster I hope.

BlkBuddah ( posted at 12:00AM Sun, 20 January 2002

Cookies are no big deal - what may be an issue is what they're recording. Most people assume that if a site uses cookies, they are recording everything from the user's IP to the last 50 sites they've been to. If all you're recording is the most recent URL and IP, then most sites record that much anyway for their usage log statistics! Just keep it minimal and I can't see why anyone should complain.

mugsworth ( posted at 12:00AM Sun, 20 January 2002

Cool with me. You guys are running an Apache server; there are easier ways. But again your cool with me whichever way you go.

ChrisWalker ( posted at 12:00AM Sun, 20 January 2002

Yeh kool, do whatever it takes i say. I have noticed the site has been alot slower lately, so do what u gotta do :)

Aeneas ( posted at 12:00AM Sun, 20 January 2002

No problem for me either. I've visited some artist's private sites, and their images' thumbs linked me back to Renderosity. Knowing what bandwidth costs, I fully agree that you want to protect it.

antisleeper ( posted at 12:00AM Sun, 20 January 2002

100% behind u

Goldfire ( posted at 12:00AM Sun, 20 January 2002

Cool with me, Tim; but thanks for giving a heads up to all of us who run cookie crusher and like programs.

IsauraS ( posted at 12:00AM Sun, 20 January 2002

I had the same problem recently so I understand your problem. Go for it.

intercept789 ( posted at 12:00AM Sun, 20 January 2002

Well, whatever you need to do I guess, because I have noticed the system being sluggish at times. But you might as well look into the other solutions being offered here.

Alleycat169 ( posted at 12:00AM Sun, 20 January 2002

Seems like a good idea. I don't mind accpting the usual two cookies to view this site.

LeeEvans ( posted at 12:00AM Sun, 20 January 2002

I too am all for the cookie option! Full suppoert for whatever you need to do from me! Your site and content are really second to none for "community use" and I hope you guys can continue what you all are doing! KUDOS! -LE

Jazzmin ( posted at 12:00AM Sun, 20 January 2002

Excellent idea, I support your decision 100%! Keep up the good work... you guys are doing a superb job with the site, I love it here!! Jazz

suzuki ( posted at 12:00AM Sun, 20 January 2002

Just a technical problem -- I got everything enabled (cookies, low sec java, activeX etc) but I see only a samll fraction of the graphics. I am missing not only the galleries but the catalog pics; which puts a crimp ito the shopping...

reddog ( posted at 12:00AM Sun, 20 January 2002

i only accept cookies from you and a few other selected sites that i frequant. what ticks me is the cookies linked ontop of your site' they are rejected have always been aware that i need your cookies for the forums and free stuf sections without having to logon so they stay

elsja ( posted at 12:00AM Sun, 20 January 2002

I agree with the goal you follow but that may generate some troubles for the regular viewer. I use Netscape with the smartdownload. When some site check where came from the surfer and reject the connexion that crash the download. So you need two click to the URL twice and the download is execute by netscape directly and off course loose the advantage of smartdownload.

Tephladon ( posted at 12:00AM Sun, 20 January 2002

I have no problem with that since I am very site specific only accept cookies from certain sites, Renderosity being 1 of 7 sites that I trust and frequent.

mglant ( posted at 12:00AM Sun, 20 January 2002

I have noted a lot more sluggish response...maybe being on a cable modem makes me more sensitive. It is easy to get spoiled with bandwidth. Cookies are OK with me.

duanemoody ( posted at 12:00AM Sun, 20 January 2002

I'm with susan_grimez. If you're running Apache a simple server directive will blow off leeches unconditionally without having to rewrite your pages. Don't make your programmers do what the server is designed to. Another, slower approach is the one comic strip content server rbma.com uses, where daily strips are linked to cgi scripts instead of images and reconstructed in transit. Since this method is designed to permit subscribed customers access to remote linking, it really isn't the direction you're looking in. If susan isn't available I can explain it as well.

Archangel_Gabriel ( posted at 12:00AM Sun, 20 January 2002

Works for me. Like I'm hard to please.....

a000a ( posted at 12:00AM Sun, 20 January 2002

I automatically delete all cookies every 12-13 minutes. I may be the only one at this extreme but I am not alone as a 'cookie deleter'. You will need to inform us which cookie must be kept. Like the rest, I'm behind you with whatever it takes.