Well, it's a nice idea, but.... the Hot 100 isn't that valid, I don't think.... I've seen images on there that are not even ranked, yet they're in the top half.... I've seen others with higher rankings and more views at the bottom of the list, and not even on it. I don't think this is a good way to judge the contest at all. Good idea, but perhaps we should let the members vote on it.
... Because if you check in the regular gallery, you will find that images were posted within the last 7 days, sometimes within two or three, so all the views were within that period.... and it will say something like 150 viewings under the image in the regular gallery, yet only let's say 75 within the period in the Hot 100.... Again, I don't think this is the way the contest should be judged. Make a special gallery just for the contest instead, let people view it and rate it.... The winner could be based on the number of viewings and the ranking...
The Hot 100 works based on the number of unique member views. It's more of a popularity measure than a peer reviewed ranking. It only measures how many people were willing to invest the time required to view the full image. It will eliminate multiple views by the same member.
I agree that there should be a seperate window for contest views, not part of the other galleries. Each contest you have should have it's own gallery...this one would be Halloween 2000 contest gallery. The server should not allow multiple votes, just one per member and that's that. Whoever gets the highest ranking/most votes wins.
The point, though, huribead, is that there are no votes. It's based on how many different people just open it up to look at it, not the ranking at all. So if you're an administrator, for example (and I'm not sure how I feel about the admins being allowed here) and you know many different members here, it's very easy to have a ton of different people open your image to look at it.... So in some cases, it won't have anything to do with the quality of the art at all.... You would have your drawbacks with ranking that way too, I recognize that, but....
I agree completely with Sorcyress. The most viewed category has never been a good way to judge artwork. I really like the new hot 100 gallery but I dont think it should be used to judge a contest. A gallery of its own with judges to decide the winner would be a better way. Youve done a great job improving the site. Keep up the good work.
I really dont know, but it would seem to me that the well known peoples pictures would get viewed more than others, if you are going to have an art contest, you should have the pictures judged by quality, style, talent and originality and they should be in a category all by themselves. I also think they should be judged by a panel of Artists who have no connection whatever with Renderosity, this way favortism can't creep into it, anyone could come back again and again to look at a persons work that happens to be a favorite of theirs. Just my 2cents worth, but hey...what do i know? LadyLuna
Lady Luna - Multiple viewings by the same member are not counted in the Hot 100. I know this is a different approach from the past and it is just one of many which could be taken. In some ways, it is an experiment and promotion of the Hot 100 format. Hopefully, folks will adapt to the contest rules as stated. If it doesn't produce good results, we can always change it for the next contest.
Tim, you missed Luna's point.... The more well known artists are going to have their images viewed just because people have heard of them or because they know more people ie/ admins, or people who've been on the front page, or who've moderated forums...... That's just the nature of the beast. We're not concerned about the multiple judging thing here. There's a reason why people employed by a company or their relatives are not allowed to participate in contests. Think about it. Fix the problem before it happens here....
ps/ And wow, this is looking like the Sorcyress show.... But I feel very strongly about this... My comments are not those of an embittered soul... I've been on that Hot 100 a few times, so I could be shooting myself in the foot by making all these statements, ie/ if you change the rules because of them.... Nonetheless, it's a ridiculous way to judge a contest. Have a separate gallery with a panel of judges.... One vote per judge... Or a ranking system for the members within that gallery, one vote per member, per IP address (as even I have more than one ID here, so....).
ok, let me clarify for Sorcyress... I wasn't sure about the voting process, yes I agree it should be "judged" But I think there should be a seperate gallery. That is my main beef...I wasn't agreeing necessarily that just views should be the thing that picks the winner (tho it does seem that way from my post) I don't know, but as it is right now, the top 100 has no images with the orange type face (well, I didn't see any). it just doesn't seem right to put a contest amidst the rest of the galleries. they still have time to change this for this contest too. All they need to do is post the newer rules as it seems that no one has posted an image yet with the criteria anyway and if they have, all they need to do is re upload to the new "contest" gallery. I am not even clear that say, if I do a contest image and upload it to the Bryce Gallery, since I am a fairly new member and noone knows me, will my image even get into the top 100 gallery? Even though I made an image very specifically for the contest? Whew! Am I making any sense? :)
Sorcyress - I agree with your assessment of how it may play out. There is that dynamic of name recognition in any charting system. There is also the chance that someone new and really special will float to the top. If no one enters, we'll save the prizes until the next contest and look at restructuring. However, if someone does, they may make off with some easy loot. Tim
Good pics get seen no matter who they are from. New people on here get just as much recognition as the old. And as far as getting your friends to vote for you, well that goes for any contest. This is a unique hit contest, so no matter how many times a person goes to that picture it only gets counted 1 time. I don't see what the difference is in that and someone able to vote for a picture 1 time. And as Tim stated this is just a first run of a new way of doing things and may or may not work well, being the experimenting and artistic type of people we are that should not be a problem either, else we would just do everything the same way all the time...dullsville Peace and Creativity Chris
And the difference between the Hot 100 option and having someone able to vote once is this, ARADtech: There would be at least more emphasis on the quality of the art with a vote option present, rather than just the number of people who click on the thumbnail to view it... And a separate gallery for the contest would also help to ensure that the playing field was level, at least to whatever extent it could be. Allright, and I've really said more than my piece here, so this is it for Sorcyress on this topic. :O) Good luck to everyone in the contest anyway!!
Hrmmm... I'm not sure that the newer artists chances are slim to none. When I browse the What's New, I click on an image based on weter the thumbnail grabs my eye, not on who's name is on the image. Am I in a minority here? Heh. Wouldn't be the first time... smile
Sorcyress, I agree with many of your points. Pesonally, if its a contest, I believe it ought to be juried. A panel of, lets say, admins and some of the renderosity members. Judging a pic by the amount of "hits" it gets is ridiculous in my view. IE: If a thumbnail shows large breasted women as opposed to a misty dreamlike like landscape, my bet is the large breasted thumbnail will get hit more often. I'm sorry, I just believe that to be true. There ought to be a panel that judges on an image based on its, technical mastery, subject, composition, use of color and light, etc. Also, in with the panel, should be those who recognize this time, is not just a time of ghoulish delight, but as a high holy day for some of us. That's my piece, take it or leave it. Peace and Happy Samhain, Wynter
If I am reading this correct then I think there is a slight problem here. If you are counting the number of unique hits to the full size image and using that for the final choice on a winner then arent we really just having a "thumbnail contest". Just bear with me for a second here. If I go and look at the images and the first thing I see is the thumbnail, and at say 100X100 pixels it looks great, I click it and realize that it looks grainy and crappy at full size, or it even looks good but there is just something about it that would make me say "nope that one shouldnt win" well it is a bit to late then isnt it. My vote for this image has been cast. I realize that I can then go on and look at any or all other images for the contest, but that crappy (and please dont get offended I am really thinking about my work here) image still has a vote. So effectively you are having a thumbnail contest because the full size image really is moot, because once you get there the vote is now already cast. Or maybe I am ready this wrong, that is always a possibility. Timmy
I agree with some of the concerns posted here, some art will be viewed more times for its content rather than its quality, so what sort of art competition are we going for here? or are we really talking a popularity contest? I look at thumbnails of images before i open them, and then 40-50% of the time think that the thumbnail was rather deceptive of the final image because it didnt show that the image was either low res low detailed or that the thumbnail only showed part of the image and when taken as whole was poorly composed. Either judge the competition with a fixed panel or have a structured voting system...otherwise this degenerates into a lottery which you will find you have to have a lic. for by law (some members in the UK might be aware of a competition recently that was caught out for being deemed a lottery).
Sorry Tim, I just don't feel that's a way to judge a contest that involves prizes. If it were "just a popularity contest for a thumb picked with the most viewings and the main prize is a ego boost, well fine. Again, I believe you should have judges, judging on the some of the merits involved. In fact, before judging the parameters of what makes a winning image need to be defined. These are common practises in the art world.
As stated in the rules, the thumbnails must be a scaled down version of the entire piece - no deception there. I do believe that the contest should be judged by peers, but during the contest maybe the artist's name should not be displayed in the contest area - just like any other judged contest. And on top of that, previously posted pieces to the normal galleries would not be allowed - no association (basically this leaves me out)
Tim, Actually that is the best way to do it. Now you have a reason to look at all the pics and the thumbnail may be decieving but you can always choose not to vote for it. Blud, I know that they are scaled down duplicates but havent you ever seen a really nice thumbnail and then looked at the full size image and it looks like it was put through a digital meat-grinder during the load period. I mean the exact opposite is also very true as well. You may see a thumbnail that is just hideous but you decide to take a look anyway and there you have a modern day masterpiece in front of you. So thumbnails and scaled images can be really decieving. Timmy
This is a repost of a comment I made on a post by Antoonio called Nudity! Big Breasts!. Bravo Antoonio. Once again youve moved right to the heart of a controversy. This shines directly on the Halloween contest and the Hot 100. I think everyone will agree that most people are curious about nudity and sexual content. Some of that nudity is very artistic while I think everyone will also agree that most of it has very little artistic merit. Still human nature causes people to want to look. Its only natural. Just like people slow down on the highway and look at car wrecks, not because theyre good to look at but because people are curious about such things. The number of times a picture is looked at on this site doesnt mean its good artwork or bad artwork. It only shows that people are curious about it. I feel that awarding a prize for a hot 100 winner would only encourage sensationalism and in the long run damage the site. I hope Tim reconsiders the way of judging the contest. Ray
I'd like to point out another aspect of this issue. If I submit a pic to the halloween contest, the thumbnail must show the whole pic and not just a part of it which would possibly be more appealing and eye-catching.Yet the pics who are already in the HOT 100 DO use eye-catching thumbnails. In other words, I'll be trying to get to the HOT 100, playing with different rules. Do you think this is fair?