Piracy is evil. We must win it together!
So does renderosity support or oppose these bills? If they have a stance, perhaps they should craft a letter that renderosity members can forward to their congressmen... or not.
It's awful to steal from small business such as the merchants here.
These are bills written with good intentions, but poor execution. For example, SOPA in section 103 allows a site to be shut down, blocked from advertising, and blocked from payments, because someone believes that its content is infringing. Search engines, advertising companies, internet service providers, and financial institutions have no obligation to look into the accuracy of those claims, they are legally protected if they just go along. There is no judicial review, it depends entirely on the claim of the person who says that their intellectual property is being infringed. And that person is only liable for the damage they cause if it can be shown that they deliberately lied. Not if they were mistaken, if they misunderstood the law, if the material wasn't actually infringing but they thought it was (e.g. if it was be protected satire, or it was similar but a court would rule it was not similar enough to be infringing). These are very harsh measures to take on the basis of the opinion of one person who has no legal training and no accountability!
That's not to say a better bill couldn't be written to address these concerns, but let's not lock up the baby with the bathwater (to mix metaphors).
I for one am fed up with having my work spread around by pirates and freeloaders. I say go get 'em, and let's piut an end to piracy once and for all.
Yes, piracy is evil but these bills will do nothing to stop it. It will only censor the internet in a draconian way. Renderosity itself could be shut down via these bills for their free stuff based on others' intellectual property, fan art, and some products in the store for "infringement". You people need to do a lot more research before supporting this. You sound naive beyond belief. If you think this won't be abused, you are sadly mistaken. Remember the trouble with the Tomb Raider products a couple years ago? With these bills, Renderosity could have been SHUT DOWN or DNS BLOCKED if the property owner requested it. These bills will destroy the internet and I am very disappointed in Renderosity for supporting something that will actually hurt them in the long run.
You do not cure a headache by decapitating the patient. In other words, a bad situation (infringement/"piracy"/etc.) is not solved -- or even made better -- by enacting even worse laws. The DMCA is bad enough, especially when deliberately misused. More of its ilk we do not need.
I totally agree with what has been said piracy is evil but what is being done to protect the artist who uploads to your gallerys and gets there work stollen ? and i think members should be checked more often to see who is stealing here and who is not just my thoughts.
While I fully support copyright holders trying to protect their property (I am one of them who has seen the effect of piracy to their products, these bills are not the way to do it. Many vendors here who use movies, games, etc. as inspiration for their creations could be targeted for takedown, or the Renderosity site as a whole with the passing of these bills.
Piracy is bad. Yes, I totally agree. I can happily say that the hundreds (if not thousands) of objects I have in my library I have paid for, obtained via Free download. If artists work on a 3D object or texture and sell it on Renderosity, or any other site...they should absolutely paid for their time and great work.
However, SOPA does so very little, if anything, to protect artists or anyone with copyrighted material. The legislation is so vague and easily manipulated that literally any site on the internet can be taken down because of one interpretation or another. This site, official sites such as Google, FaceBook, YouTube, etc can be shut down, without "their day in court" because of some loose interpretation or some imagined likeness between something posted on the site and some copyrighted material.
Yes, piracy must be stopped. However, poorly worded legislation with gaping holes large enough to fly an imperial cruiser through are not the means of stopping piracy. I certainly hope that Renderosity stands up AGAINST SOPA for these reasons.
I'm no fan of piracy and support efforts to bring thieves to justice. But this bill is far more sinister than the limited information above leads you to believe. This *IS* the Internet kill switch. For those of you who think this will benefit you - it might. This time. Sure, this administration might use it to help artists recover losses from stolen works. But what about the next administration. The one who disagrees with your points of view. The one you protest and speak out against. What will stop them from using this against you and those of like mind? You need to look beyond the first order effects and the "good intentions" of any law to understand its true impact. This one will have secondary and tertiary effects that will destroy the net as we know it and further shred our Constitution. Be very careful what you wish for from our "benevolent" representatives.
I actually worked on capitol hill as a reporter for years. SOPA is badly crafted legislation that can really, really be abused. A more effective way to protect artists is via technology that prevents duplication or by private legal pursuit of offending websites. We should always pursue private enterprise solutions before giving government more power that once done, cannot be undone.
How many images, products, and freebies on Renderosity are inspired by other sources -- subtly or blatantly -- but without crediting those sources or seeking their permission? If you think SOPA won't come back to bite you, think again. There are other better ways of stopping piracy and ensuring that vendors copyrights are respected, and I urge you to withdraw your support of SOPA immediately.
I think to go after piracy, is to take the works of those who use pirated goods to make them.
I also think Bossie_Boots has a good idea. How hard would it be for Renderosity to ban an artist who cites a product used in production of an artwork that has not been purchased? Probably not hard at all. While there might be some hiccups with people who have BOGO sales, overall you could find some people who are making art with pirated products.
These knee-jerk bills are bad for the free use of the Internet, EVEN IF ending piracy is a good thing, and EVEN IF they could do it. Several people have pointed out how even Renderosity could have been shut down if SOPA and PIPA had been passed earlier. How vague a resemblance to some copyrighted work is enough to get a site shut down, if the copyright holder has deep corporate pockets for legal funding? Let's try to find some other way of stopping illegal distribution than just taking a shotgun to anything claimed to be infringing. Besides, if the pirates are criminals already, what is going to stop them from breaking one more law? Yeah, they will have to go through the hassle of setting up another site, but that's just the cost of doing business. There will be a few high-profile busts in the news to show that it was all "worth it", but most pirates will just keep right on. Remember how shutting down ThePirateBay was going to end illegal movie distribution?
The amount of content piracy is simply insane. The unfortunate thing is that many of the larger sites are run overseas, and the US passing a bill to stop online piracy will not affect those sites unless something else comes into effect that blocks those sites. What a lot of people are concerned about with these laws isn't just that the US site providers will be fined/shutdown/whathaveyou, but that this is the first step in the process of blocking the US off from accessing foreign websites or of them tracking US internet usage to see who is visiting foreign sites that do share content. That is a clear violation of our privacy! So in the end, this isn't about how horrible piracy is, this is about what would actually need to be done to end it in the US, and that means blocking us off from the rest of the world in order to control what we can and cannot access. It isn't just people in the US who steal music, 3D content, art, animation, etc. It happens everywhere. And these laws will do nothing to keep it from happening - it will only make it harder for people to prosecute because the people who get their content from pirating sites won't be getting it from the US, they'll just get it from someone else.
I suggest that people do some more research on this bill before lending it their support. Rep. Paul Ryan (R) came out against it yesterday, stating "it creates the precedent and possibility for undue regulation, censorship and legal abuse." Obviously, Rep. Paul is not some wild-eyed anarchist downloading illegal music and videos (or 3d models). Members of both parties as well as leaders of the business and corporate community are also increasingly against it, not only for the legal issues it raises but for the economic harm it would create as well.
SOPA is horrible, period. It will not stop piracy, only hinder our freedom of speech.
I fully support the rights of any copyright holder taking legal action against any person/business for infringing on their legal rights.
That being said SOPA is vague in terms of who/what can be punishable,what can be shut down etc... They say social networking websites such as Facebook are free and clear, yet the 'safe harbor' provision that was created years ago will pretty much be gone if SOPA is passed.
You can't stop piracy by created laws like this. Piracy is not a new concept, and was not created after the internet became popular.
How many of us oldies used to record songs off the radio? That's piracy. Or copy a VHS for a friend? Piracy again. Or heck, even burnt a CD with some tunes on it for a friend. It's all pirating. I'm not condoning this, but it's not a new behavior. You can't just jump right in and want to control the problem now when you could have done something when this medium became more openly public.
I'd like to also point out that this can, and will affect the entire world. US law, yes. International websites may be governed by their prospective countries. However, they under the whims of ICANN, which is a US stationed company. ICANN may be targeted by this, and they would have to abide by US laws regarding copyright infringement and completely remove a website off the grid.
It's scary to think so many people support this only because of the infringement aspect, and don't see the bad behind it.
If Renderosity does support this legislation, I will close my gallery on here. Permanently. My work is already protected under International Law, without needing this draconian legislation.
I think the core problem is one of attitude, a culture appears to have grown online where some think it's their right to have everything for free, so that makes it OK to steal if its not offered for free. I work in the UK and its much the same, I am not convinced that legislation will change the situation, we prosecute ordinary thieves and send them to prison, but their numbers never seem to go down.
Badly targetted overkill!
The only ones affected will be the legitimate people. The pirates will still go on as if nothing happened.
Besides, the principle of this bill is something I am against. It was said it is a tactical nuclear strike against the freedom of the internet, and that's a description that I agree with.
There are other means than to shut down the net entirely to counter piracy, as GAbe Newell at VAlave said, you need to make coming to your site and get stuff easier and better than to the warez-sites.
And making other countries support digital rights of artists; like Russia and China, would be a huge way to counter this cyber-crime. Once there are no place for them to legitimately upload stolen content, the problem(s) will be solved, not before.
Petition for support of Digital rights in all countries before you shut down the 'net!!
Piracy is evil, but SOPA as written is even worse. With SOPA, if you as a vendor create something that someone feels is too look-alike to what they have designed in real life (the pocket pattern seams on a pair of jeans), they can file a SOPA complain, which will take down Renderosity as a site (make it impossible to access) for anyone in the US as long as they investigate, which can be any length of time. Pointblank touched the subject, SOPA is a threat to digital creations as we know it.
Piracy is bad and file-sharing is bad, but the Protect-IP and SOPA bills are terrible, badly worded, and will do a lot more damage than good.
Please read all the articles on TechDirt to inform yourself about why SOPA is such a bad idea:
If SOPA's Main Target Is The Pirate Bay, It's Worth Pointing Out That ThePirateBay.org Is Immune From SOPA
Reddit Plans To Black Out Site For A Day To Protest SOPA/PIPA
WordPress The Latest Tech Company To Come Out Strongly Against SOPA/PIPA
I am against piracy and financially support the vendors here on Renderosity, but I strongly believe the SOPA legislation is a terrifying proposition designed to give the government overreaching censorship of the internet.
I personally stand with the Electronic Frontier Foundation (eff.org) against SOPA, and am rather surprised and appalled that Renderosity supports these draconian bills.
As a long time vendor I've seen my work being illegally distributed many, many times so I do know the pain. Nevertheless, we have to always be constantly wary of the way that government seeks to piggyback its own agendas on issues just like this.
So the wording of the proposed laws have to be checked to the most stringent specifications and all consequences (both intended and unintended) must be fully weighed before we give our consent.
Loss of revenues from illegally downloaded content is bad but loss of freedoms by a government that seems bent on establishing a all encompassing big-brother apperatus is much worse.
This is not an aluminum-foil hat conspiracy theory rant but a valid concern about what lengths government seems willing to go to 'protect' us from one threat or another.
The price of Democracy is eternal vigilance.
We support artists. We doubt that the SOPA legislation will be enacted into law in it's current form as there are many ambiguous areas, but we're just trying to create awareness.
Bills come up again and again in congress because more moderate ones have been shot down. They've been shot down by the likes of those who do not care at all for intellectual property rights.
Many, many comments I have read about SOPA are extreme exaggerations about what might happen, much as other bills that have come up. That's worked to stop other bills that have been less draconian. Almost all corporations involved arguing for or against have a significant financial interest on their side, and the public interest is second to that.
If you are reading the links to techdirt.com above, make sure you read another 20 or so more articles on the site, so you can see how balanced their opinion is, definitions of theft, etc. News sites, like newspapers, do not needs to provide you with balanced opinions.
We've got SOPA and PIPA as a result of thwarting less draconian measures.
Yes, IP blocking is concerning. My understanding of SOPA is that the Department of Justice can move against a site AFTER it receives a court order to do so. A judge can move relatively quickly to issue such a court order when DoJ asks for it. That said, holding a full trial before moving against such sites is not practical and that's not going to change. There must be a swift way to halt or stop activity, because "damage" on the internet to intellectual property works at lightning speed.
DMCA is an utter failure. Talk with anyone who regularly has to use them. There are alternatives in congress to SOPA and PIPA, however (at least the one sponsored by Senator Wyden) relies on DMCA style notification.
If your argument is that this is threat to free speech - yes, that's possible. Free speech though is remarkably open to opinion as to what that is. In the state of Oregon, full nude dancing is protected as free speech, for example.
If your argument is that you cannot trust the government - well, you lose. Like it or not, if you are a US citizen, you don't get to deny the authority of your government without consequences. That argument is one way to be tossed into company of other "off the grid" types.
Many forms of piracy can be cut off if the financial incentive is removed. SOPA is one means to do that. Piracy is no longer "sneakernet" sharing with friends. It is a business. I long for the days of sneakernet.
If SOPA passes, its going to bring a lot of change. As a content vendor, there are some profound benefits. Id prefer a less draconian measure, but alternatives have been shot down. Sadly this has become a "my self interest" vs "your self interest" argument.
While I too have been hit by piracy, having the government try and legislate ANYTHING is always a bad idea. I don't have any answers to the problem---we've had to rely on the majority of people out there that are honest to even stay in this business. I do know that both bills are completely insane and just another indication of the government not having a clue what they're doing--- just pandering to a certain rich, loud and militant segment of those that will be affected by these bills. I've read through SOPA and the Protect IP act. BOTH of them have the potential to change the entire internet, and not in a good way. I would suggest that everyone read, understand and then take steps to help make sure these badly written pieces of legislation never see the light of day.
Obviously piracy is wrong, I champion smaller independent software developers and these people even more than the big boys need support and that applies to the vendors here who dedicate time and often money in producing products at competitive prices for their fellow artists to purchase or sometimes for free to use and enjoy.
The scenario for such developers if piracy affects their work is simple.. they stop developing and then it's the customers loss because independent developers take chances that often the big boys don't and they listen to their customers and try to incoporate the best workable ideas into future updates be that software or other resources for specific 2D/3D software.
Often so much of the legislation coming into law is cobbled together by people who do not fully understand the internet and digital media and how making the wrong decisions can be a case of two steps forward and three steps back again. Sad to say many don't even know the technical terms or understand that much about the bigger picture of it all except that Piracy is wrong.. they need to consult with people who DO know and that in part should include people on artist community sites such as Renderosity. They are detached from the reality of the situation yet feel comfortable to write new legislation that creates more harm than good.
Might help shape a perspective: list of organisations who support SOPA...
Yes, piracy is bad. It has the possibility of eliminating good vendors once they get into the "why bother" mode, but, I am curious how one determines if someone else is a pirate?
I agree with the post here suggesting one review the proposed legislation before throwing support to it.
I agree we need something but these bills are not it, they are too badly written. I am guessing they can only go forward if it's up to legislators that still think the internet is a "series of tubes". ;-)
As an independent software developer, I refuse to use pirated software or any other form of intellectual property, and am always willing to advocate my position on the issue to other people. I'm also against selling crack to 3rd graders and driving truck bombs into preschools, but after spending trillions of dollars and ruining countless lives fighting those other wars, nothing has changed on those fronts, and it will be the same result in the "War on Digital Piracy".
The net result of this bill will be an even more intrusive government, well-intentioned companies run out of business (or at least overseas), and massive government spending piled on top of an already insurmountable mountain of debt.
I know it sucks when people steal your hard work, but even worse is when your money is worth nothing because our debt has inflated it away and people are STILL stealing your work (if they can even still afford a computer to use it on).
My point is, this is the last thing the government should be spending our money and its time on, even if it did have a reasonable chance of working (it doesn't).
The more cynical side of me would point out that issues like this serve as nothing more than a convenient distraction to divert our focus away from how badly the politicians have mismanaged our country. Black/white, democrat/republican, artist/pirate - just keep the people divided and bickering among themselves, lest they figure out who the real pirates are.
I agree with the post, the piracy is a GLOBAL problem and the main enemy for any artistic creator... but how one determines objetively and without errors if someone is committing piracy when many countries has irregular copyright regulations?... and an strict regulation often is interpreted as "monopoly"?
Wow, there actually seems to be lots on here who shares the same common sense take on it I have. Piracy is bad, illegal, and it can seriously hurt a vendor's income, however. SOPA is so godawfully bad it's terrifying. It just hands power over the internet over to the biggest copyright bigot ever, Universal Music Group. With Itunes now making record labels unnecessary for young artists to sell their music, UMG is going after the way young artists get heard; the internet. As seen with the Multiupload music video of music artists singing in opposition of SOPA (with names like Justin Bieber and Alicia Keys) UMG immediately filed a copyright claim with youtube and had it pulled, a video they had absolutely no claim to! If this is indicative of how SOPA will allow big companies to file copyright claims that have immediate effects that can cause legal battles that takes years to see results fighting the claims, then the internet as we know it will shut down. Renderosity is actually risk from this, as many artists here come narrowly close to copycat-ing many movies and tv shows. For just one product Fox or Disney feel infringes on their copyright, they can immediately have the entire website shut down thanks to SOPA. I'm sure Renderosity and all SOPA supporters on here would be eating their words then. SOPA isn't about protecting copyrights, it's about giant companies narrowing the market and getting rid of competition. Video game companies are chomping at the bit for this bit of legislation to pass, as many independent game review blogs will be silenced, thus making the only reviews for games available only on game company websites after they have been "approved". Same with movies and music. I remember how a restaurant reviewer ate at a restaurant in California and gave it a bad review, and the restaurant tried to sue, claiming slander, yet the courts defended the reviewer, saying it was his first amendment right to say "don't eat here, their food sucks". SOPA is a highly dangerous bill, and the effects of it will be far reaching and will kill any chance for independent artists and singers, movies and bloggers.
Anyone who thinks these bills are about protecting the artists rights are seriously deluded.
They give too much power with no judical review to people who don't have the wisdom to use it simply to protect the profit margins of record labels and movie studios, who are the people who worte and are pushing these bills.
Piracy is bad, this is not the way to stop it.
It will be just like the "piracy is bad" adds on every bleepin bluray and DVD I've ever gotten. The ONLY people who will EVER see those will be honest people like me who know piracy is bad. People who pirate them get the edited versions with all that removed.
The only people this will hurt are the honest ones.
I've been a long time customer here...I support the artists, and believe that they need to be protected. I always buy illegitimately, from the creators. Piracy is bad.
However you guys must be, amazingly naive, if you actually do support these two bills.
You do realize that according to the wording of the bill that your very site, and your entire business is at risk?
I'm really disappointed with you guys. I guess I may have to take my business elsewhere.
I can't believe that you support this....
At nursery school children will not be able to draw Mickey Mouse or Donald Duck because they would have to pay copyrights to Disney.
Real data: Many restaurants in Spain can not use music, because it has commercial purpose to improve the environment of customers, restaurant owners must pay copyright for music. There was where did the idea of SOPA started and exported to America
Your claims about how these bills PIPA and SOPA work is naive to the extreme.
A complainant does not have to "prove" anything. All they have to do is assert that the site is infringing on something that they claim to own. They don't have to prove anything and the onerous parts of the bill kick in. Those onerous parts require payment systems that pay the website to stop doing so in as little as five days. Once that happens the website, if it survives, will have a long and difficult battle to get funding restored.
No courts involved. No meaningful oversight of any kind involved. Just the assertion that the site is infringing is all that it would take.
These bills are being driven by RIAA and MPAA to protect their failed business model. They don't want things produced that are not under their thumbs and paying them money. But this is EXACTLY how artists are doing things with the wonderful tool called the internet. And they don't have to pay danegeld to the vampiric RIAA and MPAA to put a LOT of money in the pocket of those artists instead of organizations like RIAA and MPAA.
DON'T Support this broken and bad legislation Renderosity. Doing so tells everyone that you support the way that China, North Korea, Iran and other repressive regimes around the world do things to those who use the internet.
I guess the best description for these bills is:
Justice for all - if you can afford to pay the bill (pun very much intended)
The real purpose of PIPA and SOPA is not to actually try to stop piracy, but to allow large corporations to rule the internet with an iron fist. It would allow them to claim "infringement" in order to get any site they wanted taken down, even if there was no actual infringement taking place, and all with no due process or judicial review. If someone decides that they don't like this site, for instance, they could just file an infringement complaint, and just like that it's gone.
And the only recourse that the target would have in order to get their site back would be to try to go up against the entity that filed the infringement claim in court. Something that in most such cases would mean a small website owner trying to go up against a large corporation with a well-funded legal department.
Furthermore, it need not have anything to do with copyright even - for example, if some religious organization decided that they found this site to be offensive because it allows nudity in the galleries, they could make up a bogus claim of "infringement" and get this site taken down (and could do the same to RuntimeDNA and DeviantArt and any other digital art site.)
Among other things, it would force any site that allows users to upload any sort of content, or even post messages, to excessively censor content on their site under the threat of a possible SOPA infringement claim.
Between the attacks on Net Neutrality (to allow one's ISP - in most cases a large corporation - to control what sites and content a user can access), to this (to allow large corporations to effectively obliterate sites that they don't want to exist), it's obvious what Corporate America's real agenda is here.
The more thats done about piracy the better, it's so evil, and as an artist myself I know how hard hitting piracy can be. So hopefully more and more people will stop illigally downloading stuff...
I can't believe Rendo have offered their support to SOPA without thoroughly researching it.
Do you realise if someone wishes even google could be shut down if found linking to copyright stuff so what hope does tenderising have regarding this.
Like someone said even fan art could be forced to be take down.I can imagine Rendo would have a lot of fan art on here and if found to be hosting pirates work you will be shut down.
I am a publishes author, software developer, and my "day job" is in Information Security. I deal with intellectual property theft issues on a weekly basis.
I am dead-set against copyright infringement, but not all piracy is copyright infringement.
I am also dead-set against these bills in their current form.
I am also dead-set against the copyright cartels (MAFIAA, RIAA, MPAA, et. al.)
I will not and can not support any Company who supports these bills. I look forward to hearing Renderosity's official position, preferably before I spend any more money.
As a copyright holder for numerous registered copyrighted creative works, SOPA and its ilk are going to do nothing for me.
SOPA is a "bought and paid for" piece of legislation by large corporations for large corporations. This legislation is not about the US government becoming bigger for the sake of being bigger. It is about large companies stealing your liberty in the name of protecting their profits...
It will turn the US government into their private Internet Nanny... It will have a chilling effect on new creative work because it can be used to seize an internet domain without court action... Even Renderosity could have problems. Why? because the act allows the seizure of a domain without due process of law... So a morph that looks like Mad Max, a Car that looks like a Chevrolet, a phone prop that looks like an iPhone, a piece of fan artwork that looks like any number of films, books, magazines, persons public or private could be seen by a large corporation as a theft of their "property" and used to not only shutdown this site but Bondware as a company and all of the sites they host. Don't believe it? Go read the act.
This is another attempt to turn our government into a government of the corporation, by the corporation, and for the coporation. [To quote an infamous Dinosaurs episode: "Do corporations do this, Yes corporations do..."]
Contact your congress folks--
Vote no on SOPA...
Vote no on corporate welfare.
Vote no on "corporate personhood"
Vote no on selling our government to corporate interests or making our government the enforcement arm of large corporations .
I am in agreement with gellenburg's statement, but I would go a step further: while I hate piracy,I fear the stifling of free expression more than I fear piracy.
Renderosity's marketplace would be a prime target for a takedown if these bills pass. So would all of our sites that link to it.
I'd LOVE to have an extended discussion on copyrights as they apply to 3D art but this is not really the place. I will say it is my belief that Renderosity often over interprets these often vague laws and that accounts for they types of models available on this site (mostly fantasty and fashion related). Oddly other sites sell models of Fords, Boeings and other real world items without being sued out of existence. Perhaps that is because arranging electrons to they show a picture of a car is not the same as reproducing that car in physical reality which is what copyrights are really meant to prevent. Models are just models...
Please rethink your position on SOPA - I would hate having to leave Renderosity, but this law could potentially kill the free internet and if you support that, you will lose a lot of subscribers.
If renderosity supports this Bill I will no longer purchase goods from this site.
Woah this sounds scary..be careful what you wish for!
Wow this legislation would kill sites YouTube for sure...People would be punished for anything thats looks and smells like infringement. If you look hard enough you probably would find some form of infringement on most items on this site..
Keep the government out!
Well it seems for the time being that SOPA is dead in the water.
Seems a few in congress have back peddled and pulled support for SOPA.
And that the Whitehouse has pulled support for it as well.
After some considered research, and especially as a non-US citizen, I have to agree with wolf53. If Renderosity actively supports SOPA and PIPA, I would be forced to stop using the site. It will just take one person to look at some of the pictures posted here and there will be no Renderosity, so it won't be hard for me to keep my resolve, but it would be a sad day for me having to stop using this place.
SOPA won't benefit Renderosity or its vendors. Don't kid yourself.
SOPA...the next step from the "land of the free" to the United States of "Americanistan". Just when you thought North Corea has a restrictive administration, the US steps in and shows the free world that they can do worse...
I'm sure that my opinion likely won't be seen, but I wanted to post for the few that saw this far anyway: Yes, with glaring obviousness, piracy is bad. However, when people claim that piracy digs into their revenue, there are still a few things you might need/want to consider...
1.) Just because someone illegally downloaded a product, does not mean they had any intention of buying it. Especially in today's economy, people are far more weary in spending their money for something that may not even work for them. One cannot lose revenue from a sale the won't have. On the other hand, their are also pirates that demo a product for a short bit that they wouldn't be able to normally, and then purchase it once the find out it suits their needs.
2.) Both SOPA and PIPA have long reaching effects, which could further stifle the works of the independent artist. Fanart has the potential of infringement of copyrights, and even several of the products in the marketplace get dangerously close, if not infringe as well. Even mentioning a song (since websites wouldn't require viewing, and companies admit to using 'bots' to search through websites, and attack any ones that result in a hit) that you listened to while creating your work has the potential to bring about a blacklisting. I'm not saying that will happen, but with SOPA and PIPA as they are now, there is the potential for it.
3.) No matter how hard you try, piracy won't be stopped. Taking measures against it is a great idea, but in many situations, the copyright protection hurts the honest consumer more than pirates anyway.
While it may seem like a topic that is one- sided (piracy is bad, end it all!) can and should be handled with brute force (DRM), piracy should be considered with more finess and thoughtfullness. It is important to understand the age, technology, and the psychology of piracy and internet in order to battle it wisely. While I agree that the intentions of the legislation are good, the execution is poor, and will likely hurt more artists and independents than it will help.
Great comments by gishzida. And wolf53 has a point -- why should I continue to buy products from a company that is supports legislation that will have such a chilling effect on the Internet and our first amendment rights? Piracy sucks, but as the DMCA has shown, these laws WILL be horribly abused but bug business. And these days, the DMCA is fairly well understood. New laws will mean another decade or so of lawsuits to fully understand these. Odds are either of these new pieces of legislation will cost Renderosity more money than they will ever get back on supposed reduced piracy.
And it's disingenuous to imply only large corporations are against SOPA when Internet architects (e.g. the people working on a secure DNS) are also opposed to this.
Well after my last comment about this I am getting mixed signals about it all now after seeing a post on a games site.
I remember when Music Cassettes were going to bankrupt the music industry because people could tape from the radio.....
SOPA is another knee-jerk reaction that needs to be stopped. I'm in England but the sites I use will be affected, but even worse, if it gets through over there our Govt.might get silly ideas here too.
While I believe piracy is a problem that needs to be addressed. I find SOPA& PIPA to be very problematic bills.
The ability to strip away ones rights to freedom of information,free speech,and other rights, in a country that touts these as part of it's founding principles is wrong on so many levels.
My stance is that if Renderosity is a supporter of these bills, I will remove my gallery, and no longer support a community that doesn't embrace freedom of speech, and artistic expression. I will join communities that believe these rights are paramount to a free society.
SOPA and PIPA are harm in the name of help.
We are an artist community, and a community of vendors, and therefore we want our products protected. This is perfectly acceptable, as copyright is actually a basic human right.
However, the bills in their current state are much to loose in their definitions and could have the unintended consequences of censoring innocent folks who have no intent of piracy, whether knowingly or unknowingly. The economy that the Internet has created will be strangled beyond all recognition. Software developers will be halted in their progress. Social media and search engines could end up blacklisted.
This is corporate lobbying at it's finest (or grossest, depending on your viewpoint).
I have to be honest, Rendo's explanation of the situation is almost as vague as the bills themselves. I'd like to know your actual stance on the issue, then I will be able to make my next decision without strain.
I am an artist, and I oppose SOPA/PIPA.
SOPA and PIPA are badly written, overly broad legislation that will do more harm that good and that WILL harm artists on this site and WILL harm Renderosity and other art sites as a whole. The bills will censor the internet, choke freedom of expression and kill both innovation and inspiration.
As Renderosity has explained the legislation and discussion surrounding the legislation, I have serious doubts and questions concerning my continued participation with Renderosity. From carefully reading Renderosity's statement, which is "meant to inform," it appears to me as though Renderosity is in favor of this extremely restrictive and harmful legislation due to the fact that Renderosity has made statements such as "opponents say..." but not linked to those very powerful, fact-based persuasive arguments, such as the SCOTUS decision stating that code is protected speech, and the recent legal arguments presented showing that the bills are decidedly un-Constitutional, but has instead chosen only to link to those arguments highlighting what is good about these bills.
Renderosity, as a site and as a business, needs to clarify their position on this legislation: are they for or against SOPA and PIPA IN THEIR CURRENT FORMS, AS THEY STAND TODAY, regardless of whether or not Renderosity speculates those bills will pass. I need to know, as a customer, whether or not to continue supporting a company that would allow this government to censor its citizens in the same manner that the governments in China, Iran and North Korea censor and oppress their citizens.
Sadly the gov up here in the Great White North is rewriting our copywrite legislation to more match up with that down south ReBorne. It is being done through threats by the US to remove us from friendly trader status amongst other things. Mostly because the copywrites here fade out before the American ones do. For instance Steamboat Willy has fallen out of copywrite. Disney had a fit when that happened as their precious Mickey Mouse was now usable by anyone up here. The threat of the rodent taking over every t-shirt and coffee mug in this country didn't happen. There were a few Happy 50th Birthday Mickey shirts around but I haven't seen one in years. My point here is that these laws will have far reaching consequences outside of the US as countries like ours and others take up the sink the pirates mentality. I don't pirate anything. I don't condone it but I'm not for the heavy hand of government intervention either.
I come to this site for the forums. I've learned a lot over the years and am very appreciative to those that have helped me. I do download from the free stuff and sparingly I have bought things from the merchants here. Not because I can find things for free on the net if I look hard enough but because I would prefer to purchase from a reputable vendor anything I am unable to produce myself.
That being said I must point out to the fine folks at Bondware that my limited spending will have to continue elsewhere if they are in full support of these bills. I do not support the Canadian legislation that is similar to the American bills so I cannot in good conscious, continue to support those who favour similar laws in their own country.
I am all for good copywrite laws but these are not good laws.
I've had to fight in Court to protect my copyrights, and I've stood strong to protect the copyrights of others.
However, these bills are not a solution to piracy. They'll not only enrich the large media industry by squashing all independent developers; they are a flimsy excuse for the government to control the flow of information and block whatever they want... immediately... with no due process, merely an assertion.
Worse, they will be used to block linked sites, and the sites that link to them. The Internet is a NET, and once it unravels, the whole entity is at risk of being as shredded as our constitutional rights have been.
We who actually create content must not be used as a tool for the rich to exert even more control over what is created and what is published.
Thank God some members here know that these bills before Congress are not about protecting the small vendors such as ourselves. They are mostly about giving the already wealthy industry giants the ability to strangulate us even further by telling us where we can shop and where we can not.
I agree Piracy is BAD but handing over our internet freedom to a bunch of KNOWN copyright hoarders is just insane.
A good site to learn more about these bills, is Ars-Technica. Here's their latest article:
The DMCA is flawed legislation as has been seen by how the film & music industries have abused it countless times to persecute innocent people who have [b]no[/b] legal recourse while piracy continues unabated. PIPA and SOPA are even worse since they allow the same industries even greater power to do even greater harm while not addressing the real issues at all. The best approach, in my never humble opinion, would be to replace the DMCA with more targeted legislation - ie, a more surgical approach rather than the sustained broadside of the DMCA and proposed current legislation.
In any event, I will not support any site that supports PIPA or SOPA as apparently Renderosity does. Clarify your position, people, or lose a customer.
What about Free Stuff vendors who choose to host their items on their own personal websites or what about MarketPlace vendors who choose to list their products on more than one site? Would these bills affect them? Absolutely. Renderosity's attempts at preserving DCMA copyright protection are WONDERFUL, but asking the government to intervene is opening up a log bigger can of worms than Renderosity's (and their vendors') own interests.
As a Canadian, I'm worried about these bills because they will affect the world, not just America.
If the bill goes through it will put end a lot of sites the way we know them.
I don't support tighter laws against piracy. I used to tape music and films and this was generally accepted as a useful social benefit. The advance of digital technology should not only be for vested interests. There are probably thousands of users for ever creator and following a Utiltarian concept I don't see why laws should protect the minority at the expense of the majority and I hope politicians will reflect this balance. I accept that there will be fewer creative offerings but I think that is a price worth paying in not having a draconian set-up for users. For most of human history copying has not been regarded as a crime.
And these are the people behind SOPA: please consider their ethics.
All governments fear the freedom of the individual to think and act as he or she thinks fit.
The Internet is full of free speech and thought.
Piracy must be stopped; but we must make sure no government uses this to grab control over the Internet.
as someone who spends time every day sending out DMCA notices on behalf of a large community of artists, i am glad that now the government seems on our side. instead of us having to put out money we never had in the first place to pay for legal services to make claims against a bit torrent site or a file sharing site, the law sides with us first. we have never and will never have the money to hire a lawyer for every international site that steals. now we can expect action instead of sending out the DMCA and waiting in quiet paranoid silence for the offending site to feel threatened enough to obey. it's about time these things get taken seriously, as serious crimes. these laws are far reaching, more than people realize, and i do hope the laws get changed before they are implemented, to protect the rights of people in third world nations who may be using the internet to create change in their countries. i would hate to see them unnecessarily lose their voice because of this legislation. however, i just can't help but feel a whole lot of gratitude. it isn't just about a majority versus minority rule. it's about people needing help and things needing to change. i don't want a restrictive internet. but i do want piracy and theft stopped. this may be a clumsy beginning to a potentially world changing law. i hope it goes good places and i will pray for it to be so. i do not want to live in a world where because i am a minority, i am not protected and my efforts are not valued. let's just hope this goes someplace good! good intentions are everything!
The law is too damn vague and broad, as a woman who runs an erotic website, what is to stop anyone who does not like my style of work trying to get my site taken down by claiming I have illegal content on it? BOOM. site down--no due process and potential financial eradication so I cannot continue ... What the frick? Amend this and weed out all the Freedom of Speech and Constitutional threats and maybe we'll look at it ...
I will say this, just becasue a business has a minority voice does not mean it is not in need of protection. In reality, all business owners are in the "minority" but this does not mean the rights of business owners should not be protected. No one wants a threat to their livelihood and mob rule shouldn't be the order of the day to suppress, or steal from hard working artists. This is where I disagree with Roboman and concur with Dire Lilith, however, I think the laws that are being suggested here are ridiculous and a cover for greedy corporations to exert power over those they feel could be a viable competitor, without due process...
SOPA and the Protect IP act gives the government draconian powers over the internet, especially DNS. Websites could disappear over a misunderstanding or worse.
I dislike piracy, but I have seen a lot of vender products here that could be considered violations of other people's intellectual property. So I see that Renderosity has a lot to lose if this bill passes.
Remember, it only takes a suspicion of a violation to bring a website down. It is the job of the website to *prove* that it isn't violating copyright.
Traditionally in the US it is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. I suspect that many small sites will be destroyed just by the costs of trying to prove themselves innocent.
And if Renderosity continues to support these bills, I will take my business elsewhere. I am against copyright violation, but we already have laws in place to protect against this.
These bills are not about protecting artists or small businesses, but rather about protecting a few large media interests.
SOPA is a very harmful tool for the internet because it is so badly developed that it would be used to destroy it. For sure Renderosity would suffer a break down in a few days by just having a cloth, person or a car model that looks like a real one.
This problem goes further, all my work stored in Megaupload is lost. Legal printing work, and now how about it? Days uploading printing stuff and now I need to burn a CD and pay for delivering.
SOPA is not a copyright protector, it is a censorship trap.
Better they begin catch the real criminals instead of censoring all the world.
I agree with the intent of the two laws.
The problem is how the laws are written and able to be abused. The comments by the Director of the patents office are valid only for how she currently intents to implement the law. That implementation can go too far with a different attitude in place under a different administration.
Another problem with the laws as described is that circumventing the access restrictions to the sites is simple while slowing down the internet in the US by all valid users.
Yes I agree with Renderosity and others that something needs to be done, but these two laws are not the solution. The actual solution sits with better treaties and international laws that deal not only with what these laws are trying to address but also with other forms of IP theft that these laws can not address.
Experience says these bills will reappear. Perhaps hidden in an appropriations bill, and voted on in the middle of the night. Perhaps not, but that has happened in the past.
If the Music and Movie Industries say they lost $500 million in revenue due to piracy.
And they turn it in on their taxes as a loss...will the IRS agree with them?
I don't like piracy, but I don't like this SOPA and PIPA either
Piracy is a lost and cost of doing business in a connected world. As a business owner, I want to protect my product and DCMA provided that protection to the boarders of the US. Europe has their own laws for the same. The pursuit of taking a person to court is outside of the Small Business owner. With The burden of proof is on the accuser
This law as written makes an accused site "Guilty till proven innocent". This is totally counter to US LAW and Culture.
For those of you considering this Bill "who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. ( Memoirs of the life and writings of Benjamin Franklin (1818))
I wish to protect my property. However, I will never give up freedom to do so. Nor give the government a flat license to use such power to shutdown sites.
An exert from the actual law:
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24 this section, the actions described in this subsection
25 shall constitute service of process.
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1 (5) RELIEF.—On application of the Attorney
2 General following the commencement of an action
3 under this section, the court may issue a temporary
4 restraining order, a preliminary injunction, or an in5
junction, in accordance with rule 65 of the Federal
6 Rules of Civil Procedure, against a registrant of a
7 domain name used by the foreign infringing site or
8 an owner or operator of the foreign infringing site
9 or, in an action brought in rem under paragraph
10 (2), against the foreign infringing site or a portion
11 of such site, or the domain name used by such site,
12 to cease and desist from undertaking any further ac13
tivity as a foreign infringing site.
Okay after my eyes bleeding from reading 98% of people's posts.
SOPA needs to be flushed down the toilet.. I agree with everyone here..
Rendo has NOT stated they support it.. They have said they SUPPORT US.. the vendors.. the artists.. they have ONLY posted this so we can be more aware..
Piracy sucks. We all know that. Legislation can only go so far, and it's not going to stop piracy - at best it may dissuade the casual person.
As a couple others have alluded to, one download does not necessarily equal a lost sale, something I wish the music labels and game companies (the two industries I see using this the most). True, sometimes it does, while there are those who wouldn't have bought it anyway. There are hoarders too - some who download and collect stuff, never to actually even use it.
SOPA and PIPA may be well intentioned, but the potential for abuse is far too great. Sure, the DMCA has its flaws, but it's not all bad, depending on what kind of material you're dealing with and what you're doing. But these bills... I can't think of anything good that can come from them, except that maybe it'll reduce illegal downloads a little bit.
It won't stop the companies that make money off pirated (and/or counterfeit materials) stuff. It won't stop the dedicated and knowledgable "pirate". It might stop - or just slow down - the average person wanting to hear an album, play a game or watch a movie before deciding whether to buy or not, and willing to take the risk in downloading an illegal copy. Of course, this extends to more than those three things. Lots of software (Windows and Photoshop are probably at or near the top of the list) is floating around. Plus you have photos/images that make their way to other sites without permission. Reposted web pages or blog postings. Pretty much anything else that one site may have that others may want (like the stuff here at Renderosity and every other site like it, both 3D and art-related in general).
Yes, we're talking about bills here in the United States, but that's not to say that other countries might follow suit with similar laws, following the precedent that SOPA and PIPA would set. Quite frankly, the American presence online should not be ignored or dismissed by those in other countries.
In their current form, these bills are not worthy of support. They need a lot of work and there needs to be a way to undo whatever damage is done by invoking them. However, there are already tools and laws that exist now to counter piracy - but they don't always get used. Look at Megaupload. Granted, from what I've read there are other things at stake beyond illegal content that is a part of what's happened, but it still shows that something can be done.
But if you think lawmakers can stop all piracy, keep dreaming.
I miss a clear statement of the Renderosity team for or against SOPA and PIPA. If they don't have an opinion - where is the survey asking the Renderosity Community? The Renderosity Crew made it a main topic on the homepage - so please declare yourself for or against. We are living in a democracy - you allowed to have an own opinion - please use it!
Not so much a shield, as a cage. Open to abuse and control. I am all for fair play and the protection of peoples rights, but SOPA, either by design or by ineptitude, will enable action that will do quite the opposite. Further, it's impact on internet piracy will be negligable, as the majority of sites responsible are in countries where this will have no juristiction.
The fact is..This site and many other sites like this site would be effected. Take a look at some of the files for sale here and the other top sites that sell files..If this bill was or is ever passed..Beware because there are files on this site alone that are almost over the line of copyright by other companies.
What you deem to protect is fair and just, but these new laws would be your undoing as well as some of the creators here. These new laws are too loose and many sites will pay and we the people will suffer, not the government that made the law.
Tread carefully with this new law, it will drown many if it is ever passed.
The SOPA/PIPA is poorly written. In addition, what gives Congress the authority over the Internet to shut down any site? The Internet does not belong to the US.Government. While there are International piracy laws in place, all a country needs to do is enforce them. Why do we continually need legislation over and over again for any thing? It seems like a power play to our overly industrious Congress to take over free speech, again.
In the near future websites as Renderosity may be accused of piracy and criminal activity. All vendors will be legally obliged to check that their models are original, they are not copies of other models, are not imitations of other models, or are not variations of models before they can get them on sale. The lawsuit could last several years, during which the authors will not be able to sell anything. And if the laws passed against the authors they will face piracy charges.
SOPA law would not end piracy, SOPA would turn piracy into a global lifestyle.
Al Capone became rich and famous because the government banned alcohol and then not know how to stop it.. remember that?
stealing is wrong, but these bills would be more comfortable in a communist country. under the legalese as it is now the bills would allow ANY business owning a copyright to cause US servers to block a website they complain about, PENDING an investigation.
in other words guilty until proven innocent. Sites like Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, and even a site like Renderosity could be taken down instantaneously if someone out there files a claim.
The bills are absurd. Piracy is wrong, but in the real world you can't close down a coffee shop because someone leaves a copyrighted book on the counter... these items need a massive rewrite.
These laws are being pushed by big companies like the Movie and music industries to protect there money making, it has nothing whatsoever to do with protection of the little vendor or their content.
Back when the first video tape recordings came out the big industries tried to get laws passed to stop people getting recording gear, it did back fire on them..
This is the new attempt.. BE AWARE!! just because its on hold it is only a ploy, what they do is bring it to the public's attention the public go berserk so they with draw it, then they encourage discussion about it (like on here). Then the will try again, more outcry but not as much next time, but they withdraw for a bit more discussion till people are sick of discussion and defending their rights. Then the law will get passed because people have lost interest in the subject. This happens on many subjects with laws the government want to bring in..
These laws are Draconian and will effect just about every one, sites like this, facebook, twitter, the famous You Tube (this site will be empty of content if this gets passed). The big companies like the film industry will deem that something is infringing copyright even a movie made by some small company or individual as they want to be the ONLY ONES making movies, the individuals content will be taken down no questions asked. Then its up to the individual to take it to court against a huge multi million dollar company and their liars (Lawyers). It could drag on for years.. Has the small man got the money to fight them I think not..
We all should band together and stop going to the picture theaters and stop buying music and hit them where it hurts in their pocket.. Is it that important to see a movie or listen to new music??
Is it more important than your freedoms people????..
It will be like the patriot act etc where a US CITIZENS can be imprisoned for years without a trial or without them having to have proof that you are a terrorist.
This will effect rendo and their vendors finances big time also when I think of or the stuff on here that is based on either movies, TV, or music industries ..
Sure someone said earlier that they are not taking people to court over this stuff but they have not had the ability that these laws will give them..
In the past and even now they could have got an order sent to a host site to pull that content down and they would have to, but then the vendor could get an order and it would have to be put up again. This is not the case with this law even the hosting site could be closed down!!
I am not for piracy I also have made 3D content for a different game site but I am against loosing any more of our freedoms, I don't live in the USA and from what I see and hear about your freedoms being eroded away I am glad I don't. It is almost a police state there now.. Don't help them make it one any more than it is..
And Renderosity HAVE THE GUTS to stand up and tell your vendors and members where you stand on this in Black and White. We just need one of two words not a lot of waffle and double talk. Then we know whether to continue to support this site or not.
Do you for these bills??? YES OR NO..
Even if the two bills are passed, what will change? I'm sure the EU will flatly reject it's findings anyway, we still have such a thing as human rights and freedom of speech over here, you see, and those bills are the kind of legislation that even N.Korea would be too embarrassed to pass. Unless the rest of the "free" world agrees to SOPA, which it won't, what's the point? It just means Americans will get censored while nothing changes for the other 99% of the world's population.
i am strongly against both bills as they would give the right to them (the government) to even go further then what those bills state, invading our privacy and so much more!
i have seen some artist SELL items here in RR that are strongly Copyright violations, and those who are for the bill are the ones who have violated some copyrights. not going to point fingers and name name but they know who they are.
still the internet is a vast place and one of the only places left in the world of communications that does not need to have some one watching your every move.
i can understand that piracy is wrong, i can understand it can violate personal business but what i can understand is it will affect every one in the worst way possible... if we allow this bill or that bill to pass... say goodbye to what freedom we have online in general.
IF this Sopa & Pipa bill is passed, say hello to step one of a Governed Life and then say hello to the rest of our freedoms going away and welcome to the machine.
I won't argue that piracy is wrong, but we have laws in place already to deal with these issues. Why are these bills needed in order to shut down websites and financial payments? This is one step down the road to censorship paranoia and having a bloated government tell us that we aren't allowed to roam the internet freely. When will it stop? Someone will see an item here on Rosity and say "hey, that looks familiar" even if it isn't. Then you would lose business and probably cause a vendor chaos while they are being accused of infringing on copyright.
As I said, we already have copyright laws in place. We don't need more when the ones in place work but just need to be inforced.
I'm actually a bit shocked that Renderosity supports this bill. Although I'm all for helping out artists and such (just look at the amount of money I have spent here! lol), this bill is not the right way. This is censorship. Make a better bill, and maybe, MAYBE, I'll agree.
SOPA and PIPA have nothing to do with protecting your precious "intellectual property". It is nothing more than a thinly veiled sham to grant the RIAA and MPAA the ability to bypass ALL due process and give them their own government agencies at their beck and call to censor the internet and block access to any site they feel might be infringing on their profit margins.
If you think for a second that this has ANYthing to do with anything other then RIAA and MPAA profits you are mistaken. If you think that this legislation will not be horridly abused, you are mistaken. It is designed to remove freedom of speech and freedom of the press and allow the RIAA and MPAA to have web sites shut down at will. with little to no evidence, and completely bypassing the courts. It automatically makes the accused guilty until proven innocent, which is a violation of our rights.
I am appalled that Renderosity would support legal action designed to so blatantly violate rights and censor the internet.
Then again I also remember a time when artists would create models and textures and such and post them up for free, I remember when digital art was about creating art... instead of running marketplaces and making a buck.. So I guess I shouldn't really be surprised...
I suppose a lot has changed in the over 15 years that I've been coming here and other sites and creating art.
Welcome to the United Corporations of America. I hope Renderosity comes out as one of the winners and doesn't get shut down because one of the corporate masters doesn't approve.
Government firewalls that block access to websites. Blocking access to search engines... this sounds familiar.. where have i heard this before???
Oh yeah!!! these are the kinds of human rights violations such as violation of free speech and freedom of the press that the United States accuses other countries of committing like... China... Myanmar... oh and Iran...
I don't agree with piracy. But even more I don't agree with knee jerk legislation written by politicians that are just acting out to a B grade script written for them by Hollywood.
If the bill does get through then maybe we should consider holding a moratorium by not buying dvd movies or seeing them in cinemas for 30days, so as to mark the death of the internet as we know it and send a clear message back to Hollywood to reign in their government patsies. The same moratorium could also extend to the music industry; another heavyweight I'm sure is behind the Bill.
I wonder, will those that make parodies of famous movies or songs also be considered as copy-write or intellectual property infringer's? And what about content creators that make 3D models to resemble famous people (most likely without consent)? Will this kill fan art? What is Star Wars or Star Trek without their legion of fans sharing their favourite movie moments.
The American Congresses from the 109th to the current 112th have done nothing for America or the American people.
This is a last ditch effort to show, "Look! We're doing something!" It's wrong, but it shows they're breathing (just before their next election). Their approval rate by the American people is the lowest in history. But, they keep being re-elected by people who say, "It's not MY Congressperson, it's everyone elses who are idiots!" But when you have people that have been in office since Dec 1955, they're no longer residents of their districts. They may have a "home" there, but they've "lived" in Washington for 56 years. So, they come up with a "problem" they're too separated from reality (the US does NOT own the internet and Mr. Gore did NOT invent it), to introduce something to show, "We're correcting a problem. We don't know or understand the problem, but we're correcting it." The W3C sets the standards, not America, China, Netherlands, France or the UK. That's why it's a "World Wide Consortium." Both of these bills should be trashed, shredded, mulched and forgotten.
But with the Presidential election process going on, Congress has to hold up it's hand and say, "Lookit ME! I'm doin' something!" They've not a clue what they're doing, but they think they are doing, good or bad, they don't care, it's poking their fingers where they don't belong.
"No laws have ever been written that have kept criminals, intent on committing a crime, from committing it." History shows that no laws have been written that stopped pirates from piracy. It's not like a criminal intent on doing harm will stop and say, "OH! It's against the law, I can't do this." I tell all my family, church family, associates at work (I work in IT and they should know this), the cheapest and best insurance you can have on the net is a GREAT anti-virus, anti-intrusion (firewall) program, and keep it updated. Unfortunately, you get what you pay for with protection. Of course, we also get the opposite, we pay for a good Congress and look what we have. :o\
Scrape....Scrape... moving my soapbox...
My feelings on this file sharing is mixed. Stealing the intellectual property from the creator or artist is wrong and any site willingly harboring it should be punished. However I am guilty of downloading software and content in the past and am glad I did so. One case was where I used a hacked version of Poser Pro for a month with the a few content files learning how to use it. The turn around is that after trying it out I then purchased legit versions of everything I am currently using afterwards. It was nice to be able to play around and see if I was capable of doing this before spending a lot of money first. (still unsure of my capability)
Another thing is there has been a few people helping me with my learning and not always do they have the same content I have when looking to see what I have done. In this case we did use a file-share service (megaupload) to exchange files back and forth. At this point I have not asked if when finished he removed the content I sent him after fixing my issues for me.
It was at this time I utilized megaupload as a tool for storage. Using the upload tool I stored many content files in password protected rar format. A handy idea so if at my home office or work office if I needed a file I could easily download it at high-speed. If anyone did find my files it would serve no purpose unless they managed to crack the password.
As it stands theft is bad but a trial of content is good. Unfortunately I see no way of allowing a person to test drive the artist created models here without risking they will just download and keep it. So yes I had used illegally obtained content to look it over but never used it after unless legally purchased. Now feel free to tell me how evil I am that I had done this.
So far the only content and software I have on my machine until I get better is V4 V5 M4 A4 pro packs as well as a couple spaceship models and environments I have purchased. Not to mention about every free item I could find. (bless you artist who provide those few freebies for use) Everything I currently have I have paid for but would not have bought any if I had not experimented first.
If the megaupload operation is to be punished for their conduct then fine as long as the offenders are the ones punished. From what I have read some of the servers seized did not even belong to megaupload but were part of cloud storage. How many legit people are just SOL as well as the server owners? I fear the government try to use this new PIPA and SOPA to actively censor the internet. They already have the power now.
SOPA & PIPA are not laws, they are a thinly veiled attempt at "Big Brother" control. No due process, no legal recourse that the "average" person (not even the average non-national corporation) can afford to avail themselves of. Literally an automated censorship system for those "elite" mega-corporate & government entities can enact without fear of retaliation (you can't complain, who would listen to an obvious "worthless pirate/thief"). Those accused face financial ruin & punishment if they fight it. News agencies could not report on it without fear of being accused of violating "intellectual property rights" by mentioning who the accuser is or the subject/object of the supposed violation. If these legal abominations pass into use, they will only prove Orwell was right about the future, just wrong about the year... "a world of perpetual war ruled by The Party...the Ministry of Truth responsible for historical revision & Party approved propaganda..." (this quote alone could give a publisher a valid reason under SOPA or PIPA to issue a kill order for this site).
Even if you are not a US citizen, this kind of dictatorial legislation could be easily become part of any nations laws. To control what one sees & hears is to control what the majority believes.
"Tell a lie long enough, well enough, to enough people, & it becomes reality."
If Renderosity does support of this abomination, I hope they realize they are one of the first wave of "black-listed" sites. Creativity, original thought, non-conformist ideals... These are the first victims of the "thought police" & "correctional action".
Piracy is bad, yes. It is costly to many but it is nothing but a stubbed toe when compared with losing your right to voice dissent or any "no-approved" viewpoint. An iron grip has little room for innovation.
hot888 has hit on an interesting point. Because of piracy I feel that more software companies are now providing trial versions or even slimmed down versions of their very expensive programs.
What I can't understand about the Megaupload saga is that the New Zealand government is handing over one of their citizens to the USA without a fare trial done locally in New Zealand. This act of the USA to negate other Nation's legal boarders is a real worry and should be a concern of all citizens around the World.
I know some of these sites that upload illegally, I report things when I can, as I don't always have internet access. A few days ago I checked one of these sites and noticed a post on their forum that may be of interest to most here...
They are running scared and searching for alternatives and provide a list of places to upload to that you can check to see if your art is there.
well, with the arrest of kimdotcom and the seizure of all their domains....other filestorage systems have either shut down sharing access or banned usa ip adresses....Big Brother is very real!!! this is basically the end of the internet as we have known it everybody happy now...whats next...outlawing the ownership of a personal computer.....it could happen......first our guns, then our books then our thoughts!!
All this aside if Renderosity is for the protection of the artists work, why than is it anyone can right click and save images to their hard drive! Most of the internet has stopped alot of piracy by not allowing the image to be clicked on, in any fashion. Why isn't such a measure taken at this site?!?
Because it's easy to get around that e.g. using NoScript in Firefox. Not to mention the images are cached locally by the browser, so any tool that lets you explore your browser cache should also suffice. Not to mention screenshots....
Thank you LBAMagic. BTW I loved your artwork titled Defiance. I loved that Daz has a free version to start with and learn from. When I am able to do something good with it I will probably test out the Pro version then buy it. However I seen in my reviews of Daz and Poser there are a lot of torrents and file-shares out there to get it for free.
What I don't understand is:
with its "Angelina Jolie" and "Superwoman" lookalikes, Renderosity would be one of the first sites to be shut down.
How dumb can you get?
OK. I've read 90% of the positngs on this issue. It seems to me you guys are pretty much in agreement about two things: Piracy is bad, and SOPA and PIPA are even worse. You're probably right on both accounts. As I see it, you have two choices.
Choice 1. Continue to whine about it.
Choice 2. Actually DO something about it.
I suggest Choice 2.
Congress has put the idea on hold. You've been given a golden opportunity to solve this issue yourselves. TAKE IT! YOU have the brainpower. YOU have the tech savvy. YOU have the incentive. YOU have the motivation. And now YOU have the chance.
Get organized (it's not as hard as you may think), solicit ideas, massage the ideas, establish a concept, create a workable solution, and develop a BETTER PLAN! Take the initative away from the government (and, hopefully, the pirates as well) and solve the problem yourselves.
It's your stuff getting ripped off. Stop waiting for someone else to fix this. If you don't like SOPA/PIPA, you won't like Son of SOPA/PIPA either.
Here's your chance to do it right!
Please rethink your position on SOPA a.s.o.!
I would hate having to leave Renderosity, but this law could potentially "kill the free internet" and if you support that, you will lose a lot of subscribers and even much more, with all its "Angelina Jolie" and "Superwoman" lookalikes, Renderosity would be one of the first sites to be shut down.
How dumb can you get?
We all have to fight (also in Europe)against SOPA & PIPA, because it's not the END of all EVIL, it has just started and that is what is frighten me.
At the End of all this: "BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU AND THE WHOLE WORLD"!!!!!
With kind regards........
"Most of the internet has stopped alot of piracy by not allowing the image to be clicked on, in any fashion."
A few years ago, there was a proposal to use such a script. In fact, they may have implemented it for a while (I can't recall now, it's been a while), and there was a tremendous outcry, because of the browser functionality issue and because, point blank, the scripts don't work to prevent anyone with any technical ability whatsoever from downloading whatever they want from a web page.
As for SOPA/PIPA, I would hope that Renderosity does not support these bills (which are not defeated, but only put on hold for now). Piracy is bad, absolutely, but these bills are draconian and they're not going to stop anyone, they're just going to inconvenience people and shut down sites without any due process. All that has to happen is someone makes a complaint, and your business site is offline, possibly forever. Nobody will investigate the claims to see if they're valid, nobody will be on your side, unless you want to spend years and tens of thousands of dollars in court. It's a one-sided law meant to protect the business interests of the movie and recording industries, and it's not going to do diddly squat to protect the rights of actual artists. Congress could not care less about your or my or anyone else's individual rights as an original content creator. They're in the pocket of the movie and recording industries, and that's who they serve.
There are already laws against piracy and to uphold IP rights. This law goes beyond that. LizzieP hit the nail on the head. Does your character resemble a famous star? Does that outfit resemble a costume from a movie? What about those furniture props? Do they resemble a real furniture design? Even vaguely? Any little similarity could result in whole sites being shut down. Fan art? Kiss it goodbye. In our litigious-happy world we don't need some sloppily crafted law that leaves the door wide open for abuse.
Many of the artist think that if a group of pirates start using renderosity as there base server and get caught by SOPA that the whole site won't be shutdown.
SOPA will most likely shot ask questions later.
The eCloud is beginning to unfold just like we knew it would. So, you better start backing up your art and not just to anohter site. This is going the to a ten year setback. Break out every media you can (even floppys).
Should making products cheaper do anything to illegal downloads??????
I have read the comments here and I have listened to other about these bills.
The words Worthless and Draconian are the two best to describe these bills and ones like them.
Governments have been trying to stop thieves and murders, since there were governments, in fact people created governments to protect them from such things.
But know this: if Laws stopped crime, no one would ever be murdered.
Laws give the People, a way to punish those who offend us.
What is needed here is a change in Human behavior, good luck with that, there are those who have been attempting this for centuries.
The question you should all be asking, even those who do not live in the US, is why were these bills intentionally written to be "Specifically Vague"?
The answer is: You write something "Specifically Vague" so if the need arrises, you can twist the document to be used against a person or group of persons. So bills and laws like these, could and have been used to circumvent freedoms granted to the People by the Constitution.
So the true nature of these two bills is to effectively create an "Off Switch" for the internet, that will affect all the people, not just those in the US.
But why were they written this way and the answer comes from the rest of the world.
Look at the Recent unrest in Egypt and Iran. Iran used its control over their internet to effectively shut down the flow of information thus stopping the Unrest from cascading into a revolution. Egypt had no such control and the world saw what happened.
Now Look at the recent "Occupy" Movement in the US, do you think it could have ballooned to several cities without the net to spread the word.
What the Governments fear, and with good reason, is an Egypt in the streets of their country; New York, London, Paris. Don't be naive and believe it couldn't happen, I am sure that is what the Egyptian leaders thought.
Personally I pray cooler heads will prevail and rational thought will replace irrational actions, but historically Humans tend to irrational actions before rational thought.
Here is a question: If I sing "Let It Be" on a bus, am I in violation of the Copyright law, because I am giving a public performance, regardless of quality or the fact I am not being paid?
Now I am going to ask the Content Creators and distributers a question:
As an aspiring author I have several Non-published Copyrighted works, registered with the US CopyRight office. Each one cost me 25 USD. Publishers who print books have to get a different Published CopyRight for each representation of the work; Hardback, Paperback, Large print, etc. The Same can be said about music, Cassette, vinyl, CD, MP3, ACC, etc… each need a separate CopyRight issued.
People sling the word "Copyright" and "copyrighted work" around and I know it is typed neatly on every Readme file attached to any content, even Freebies, but saying something is copyrighted does not give it protection under the CopyRight Law, without registration of the work.
So my question for the content creators: Do you actually have a Legal CopyRight for each of your works? Did you or your publisher file your design/creation/artwork with a CopyRight office, either here in the US or elsewhere in the world? Or do you have a what is called a Poor Man's CopyRight, which is not Proof ownership in the US, England or several other countries? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poor_man%27s_copyright
Is part of the Services supplied to their content creators by; Renderosity, DAZ 3D, Content Paradise, and other such sites; representing them and obtaining such CopyRights protections, in the Form it is being distributed, as the Publishing House? Do the Publishing Houses do the same for those Freebies which they distribute on their sites, which state they are CopyRighted, or is it the responsibility of the Content Creator to Secure such protections.
A duck should know where all her little ducklings are.
Making thing cheaper does not pay the artist for their hard work. And people even steal penny candy, of course it is no longer a penny.
Anyone remember the novel "Nineteen Eighty-Four" by George Orwell
George Orwell must have been a prophet
Personally I'm against PIPA and SOPA which gives too much power to shut things down without much evidence. All it takes is a false accusation, a website is offline until its proven true or false, but everyone suffers when the site is down.
I had a bunch of my own personally created stuff on Megaupload was closed down. ANd I was (still am) raging FURIOUS because those folks that shut it down in the name of stopping theft essentially have stolen MY stuff from ME.. and countless other legitimate non piracy folks. No, please do not support giving these greedy hollywood supporters anymore power. I'm all against piracy, and stopping it, but not at the cost of freedom and other users' rights.
I belive that renderosity has the power to put a stop to this,and for us artist we should watermark all our creation,so that way it is much harder for a hacker to get a hold of the hard work that we put into this,
they maybe could get ideas but it is giving then a hard time to reproduce what we do.
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There are quite a few opinions here that say this legislation is bad...it will kill the Internet...its evil...its poorly written...blah, blah, blah...thing is, none of these opinions give any ideas for a solution. Everyone seems to hate anyone who makes money from their creativity. Somehow we should give away to thieves what it takes years of sweat and tears to create.
I leave it to the people that complain the most to be honest with yourself...how much software, media, etc. have you paid for and how much have you stolen? Its like letting bank robbers have input into bank robbery laws. Most of those with opposing views to the legislation have no hope of ever being creative, so of course they need to steal someone else's hard work.