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Subject: Scale for Exporting from 3DS Max into Poser?

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Darchind  

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Posted Sat, Jan 12, 2013 3:21 pm, Edited Sat, Jan 12, 2013 3:22 pm

Can anyone tell me what the scale should be when exporting a geometry made in 3DS Max to Poser?

I imported the model I've built a clothing model for at a scale of 1.0...I think. I'm at a loss for what the scale should be when exporting the clothing model into Poser. I've tried searching for tutorials, but everyone seems to cover only importing from Poser into 3DS Max. I'm trying to export from 3DS Max back into Poser.

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Posted Sat, Jan 12, 2013 6:42 pm, Edited Sat, Jan 12, 2013 6:50 pm

export your clothing as an Obj the problem with poser, the last time i used it was 5 years ago they did not have any units and display units. so when you export it the clothing mite come in small depends on what units you have setup i max 


why would you want too export into poser max is way better. i always ask this question and never get an answer lol


you can use this one http://www.ehow.com/how_5869034_convert-studio-max-objects-poser.html


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Posted Sat, Jan 12, 2013 7:11 pm, Edited Sat, Jan 12, 2013 7:15 pm

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why would you want too export into poser max is way better. i always ask this question and never get an answer lol


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My guess is he probably wants to sell it, or distribute it to Poser users?


To the OP: What kind of units does Poser use?  For instance, if it uses Meters as it's scene units, then the export scale from Centimeters (assuming you modeled in Centemeters) is 0.025.  If it uses Feet, then exporting from Centimeters would be 0.032.  Etc. Etc.  The OBJ Export Options Panel in 3dsmax 2012 and 2013, I believe,  has a Preset option, and one of those Presets is for Poser.  Try that.


PS:  Going forward, always know what units you have modeled in, and always model to scale, using Metric unit scale (centimeters, meters, etc), because the output to other applications is easier to figure out, and the results more reliable.

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Posted Sat, Jan 12, 2013 8:39 pm

yeah but he/she still sell it but it the model is in 3ds max and the problem is if he/she textured it. From what i remember you cannot export the texture that he/she made max or appilied in max. he/she would need to have deep exploration by  Right Hemisphere. maybe smithmicro have updated poser?


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Posted Sat, Jan 12, 2013 11:24 pm

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why would you want too export into poser max is way better. i always ask this question and never get an answer lol


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My guess is he probably wants to sell it, or distribute it to Poser users?


To the OP: What kind of units does Poser use?  For instance, if it uses Meters as it's scene units, then the export scale from Centimeters (assuming you modeled in Centemeters) is 0.025.  If it uses Feet, then exporting from Centimeters would be 0.032.  Etc. Etc.  The OBJ Export Options Panel in 3dsmax 2012 and 2013, I believe,  has a Preset option, and one of those Presets is for Poser.  Try that.


PS:  Going forward, always know what units you have modeled in, and always model to scale, using Metric unit scale (centimeters, meters, etc), because the output to other applications is easier to figure out, and the results more reliable.


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The information in red -- this, sir, I did not know. Thank you very, very much for pointing it out. I'll check for it right now.

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Posted Sat, Jan 12, 2013 11:25 pm

Yeah, there's definitely presets. I didn't even notice them, lol. I don't think there were presets in any of the previous versions of 3DS Max. If you all must know, I just upgraded from 3D Studio Max 8, so I'm pretty new to these technicalities :)

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Posted Sun, Jan 13, 2013 4:00 am

For future reference, I've discovered on my own that importing the .obj from Poser into 3DS Studio Max at scale 100.0 and then exporting from 3DS Max to scale 0.1, then re-importing it into Poser with no scale value in Poser's import settings works very well for me.

At 100.0, the geometry is big enough to work with in 3DS Max.

Hopefully this information helps people who are confused about it as I was.

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Posted Sun, Jan 13, 2013 4:13 am

if you had the answer then why ask how to export from max into poser? it's just a wast of our time. no one will find that information useful because we know max is more powerful then poser.


if your working for someone who wants you to create your own stuff like a charcter and he/she finds you did it in poser he/she is not gonna be too happy. because he/she would want to see your skills in max and what you can do.


& not ask a stupid question you already have the answer too


http://owlarchitecturalengineer.com/ 

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Posted Sun, Jan 13, 2013 7:21 am

Quote - "For future reference, I've discovered on my own that importing the .obj from Poser into 3DS Studio Max at scale 100.0 and then exporting from 3DS Max to scale 0.1, then re-importing it into Poser with no scale value in Poser's import settings works very well for me.

At 100.0, the geometry is big enough to work with in 3DS Max.

Hopefully this information helps people who are confused about it as I was."


 


That's good, but the problem with doing it in such a generic way is that you still really don't know what the scale units are, so that might not work out in every situation.  For example; if your unit scale in 3dsmax gets changed from whatever it is now, which can easily happen if you open a scene file that works in different units.

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Posted Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:29 pm

Problem is Poser has no scaling units whatsoever! I work with both poser and max and I'm baffled how the guys that made poser thought it would be a good idea to not have any kind of unit measurement in poser. This makes it a nightmare to model things for it on max. You have to model like 1000 times bigger in max to be able to use soft selection, etc, but then when rescaling to poser, the object most of the time get deformed, because of poser has no units, it's a nightmare...

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Posted Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:42 pm

I never noticed those export presets either.

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Posted Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:55 pm

I had a rant all ready to go but thought - why bother?  All I'll say is that Poser does what it was intended to do very very well, it's a lot easier to use for that purpose than Max or Maya or XSI and a damn sight more accessible


to the OP - have a look at some of the threads in the Poser forum


http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/search.php?query=PNU&forum_id=12356&sort=relevancy&use_age=yes&older_age=45&older_units=day&newer_age=500&newer_units=day&username=


Specifically the PNU and it's equivalent in inches etc.

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Posted Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:29 pm, Edited Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:29 pm

I've used Poser since v.4. People sometimes ask me why I use Poser and Bryce when I have 3dsMax: well, I believe I should use whatever tools will yield the result I'm looking for. I can't do organic modeling, so if it weren't for Poser I wouldn't be able to use people or animals in my renders. Also, I find it easier to set up renders in Bryce and Poser so I usually render scenes in those.


Max is a very powerful modeler among other things and modeling is primarily what I use it for

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Posted Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:32 pm

Interestingly, I prefer to render in Max - I find the materials and lighting much easier than Poser :)

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Posted Mon, Mar 18, 2013 4:58 pm

Well the poser scale thing is well documented and goes back many years. They only need to be compaible with themselves. There is a recognised  conversion, as I'm sure you're aware, just scale up or down and do the reverse on export.

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Posted Mon, Mar 18, 2013 7:20 pm

Quote - "Well the poser scale thing is well documented and goes back many years. They only need to be compaible with themselves. There is a recognised  conversion, as I'm sure you're aware, just scale up or down and do the reverse on export."


Hey!  Haven't we met before?    You using Max now too, or just stopping by? 

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Posted Mon, Mar 18, 2013 7:23 pm

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To the OP: What kind of units does Poser use?  For instance, if it uses Meters as it's scene units, then the export scale from Centimeters (assuming you modeled in Centemeters) is 0.025.  If it uses Feet, then exporting from Centimeters would be 0.032.  Etc. Etc.  The OBJ Export Options Panel in 3dsmax 2012 and 2013, I believe,  has a Preset option, and one of those Presets is for Poser.  Try that.


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I just re-read my own post in this thread.  What was I smoking that day?  Conversion from centimeters to meters is 1 to 0.01, not 0.025.  Duh.  

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Posted Tue, Mar 26, 2013 9:48 pm, Edited Tue, Mar 26, 2013 9:57 pm

I export from Max at 0.01 and make sure the setting are unchecked for any optimazation of the vertices. Other wise any split edges will be welded in Poser.


If I have to bring an .obj from Poser into max I bring it in at 100 percent. Once done export at .01 again and it is as close as you can get in Poser as the export is only two decimals in Max.  Compared to a character in Poser and you are good to go. Have been using this method for several versions of Poser now.


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Posted Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:10 pm, Edited Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:18 pm

If you choose the Poser export setting it is defaulted at 0.04 which is 4 times as big as it should be. When you impoert to Poser remember to uncheck all the tick boxes like here. That is if you want the object to be in the location you intended it to be from max.

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Posted Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:16 pm

I exported a box that was 10' x 10' x 10' to Poser and when I move the origin point to the top it shows as 10.310 which is about as close as you can get with only two decimal places to work with.


If I tried to go less than 0.01 i is not possible so that is what I had to choose and stay with these last 5 years.


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Posted Fri, Jan 24, 2014 11:14 am

I also have an export-import-problem from max to poser and back:


Setting the obj.-scaling-factor to 0.01 in max sizes just a little too big in poser. I would need about 0.0098, 0.009 is to small. But the export-function in max doesn't allow 4 digits behind the point.


Scaling after importing in poser is not the trick, after sending back to max, I get the obj. not at the same point as before.


So I have no solution, how I can get an object in the correct size and location from max to poser, pose a figure on the imported obj to later send the figure posed to max to render the figure there.


Posing a Poser-figure in max itself doesn't work as good as in poser.


Any solution?


 


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Posted Fri, Jan 24, 2014 12:55 pm

OBJ is not a good pipeline vehicle, if you need scale accuracy.  The OBJ file format itself does not specifiy units of measure in the source, and depends entirely on the import/export systems of whatever package you're using.  I would be very wary about sending something back and forth using .obj if you are expecting architectural or engineering-level scale accuracy.  Neither Max nor Poser's OBJ import/exporter support less than 3 decimal units, like some CAD applications.

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Posted Fri, Jan 24, 2014 12:55 pm

OBJ is not a good pipeline vehicle, if you need scale accuracy.  The OBJ file format itself does not specifiy units of measure in the source, and depends entirely on the import/export systems of whatever package you're using.  I would be very wary about sending something back and forth using .obj if you are expecting architectural or engineering-level scale accuracy.  Neither Max nor Poser's OBJ import/exporter support less than 3 decimal units, like some CAD applications.

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Posted Fri, Jan 24, 2014 2:01 pm

Also, for Posing characters in Max, there are maxscripts that work great, to make it very easy to select parts of a biped or CAT rig, and manipulate them as easily as in Poser.


http://www.scriptspot.com/3ds-max/scripts/bipcatselector


That's just one.  There are others.

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Posted Fri, Jan 24, 2014 2:04 pm

This is the tool I use for posing, manipulating Biped or CAT rigs.  Works very well, and makes animation and posing simple. 


http://www.scriptspot.com/3ds-max/scripts/thepuppettool


Hope that's helpful, instead of going back and forth to Poser.

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Posted Fri, Jan 24, 2014 3:52 pm

@LuxXeon


I gave it a try, but it doesn't work in MAX 2014, I get the error: is open is undefined after importing V42 from poser with bones and trying to pose her.


 


@All who search for a solution:


But for the scaling issue, I have now a quite good, not perfect workaround, using the free program Daz Studio 4.6 as an intermediate:


 


Export .obj file from max with standard exort-settings for daz-studio (factor 0.1)


Import obj.file in daz-studio with the follwing settings:


Scale: 2370%; Lateral X: X; Vertical Y: Y; Depth Z: Z


Then export  the .obj from Daz-Studio with the poser presets.


The result after importing in poser is nearly correct.


After exporting the obj. back to max with collada, it has nearly the same size and position as the original.


I think it can be further improved by changing the 2370% a little bit (e.g. 2368%)


For my purpose, 2370% is good enough.


 


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Posted Fri, Jan 24, 2014 4:47 pm

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I gave it a try, but it doesn't work in MAX 2014, I get the error: is open is undefined after importing V42 from poser with bones and trying to pose her."


Not sure which script you tried, but the error is probably due to the fact niether of the solutions I provided are intended for use with standard  bones.  You'd need to convert the rig to Biped or CAT skeleton.  I think the BipCatSelector is compatible with 2014, but the other is not; it only goes up to 2013, my apologies.

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Posted Fri, Jan 24, 2014 4:51 pm

Well, that seems somewhat long winded. Just a thought, why not export from poser at default, then in max scale up? (or down) so you get a workable size. Do your stuff and then scale back down then 'save as' etc.

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Posted Fri, Jan 24, 2014 5:21 pm

Why not use PoserFusion?  If the only objective is to do the posing bit in Poser, and then render or texture in Max, that's prob the easiest way.

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Posted Sat, Jan 25, 2014 2:20 am

@ maxxxmoedelt & airflamesred


It'S not as easy: I have an environment in max, very complex and want to put people in the environment.


So: I export only parts of the environment to poser, pose people on these objects and then only export the posed figures to my max scene.


I didn't find a possibility in poser-fusion, to export max-objects from max to poser, only pz3-files from poser to max.


But for posing, I have to get the exact position of my max-objects in poser.


And up to now, I'm not yet able to pose imported people directly in max in a simple way like in poser.


 


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