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 Subject: Is there a decent pearl shader out there for Poser 9/Pro 2012?

LaurieA opened this issue on Jul 09, 2012 · 225 posts

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  LaurieA ()  ( posted at 1:00AM Mon, 09 July 2012 

I at least need to know how to go about making one :P I have to admit the fresnel blend throws me off. I'm never sure where to put it in the whole node setup. And I've certainly no idea about a pearl shader. I figure the newest version of Poser could probably pull it off tho.

Anyone?

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  monkeycloud ()  ( posted at 5:42AM Mon, 09 July 2012 

Hi Laurie

I could've sworn I'd seen one on a thread about SSS for non-human objects over at RDNA, but just checked and ended up re-reading the thread... and while Bagginsbill says, I think, it'd be good for doing pearl... there's no actual example there... yet...

...sorry, I tried :wink:


  3doutlaw ()  ( posted at 10:06AM Mon, 09 July 2012 

  LaurieA ()  ( posted at 11:09AM Mon, 09 July 2012 

THANKS 3doutlaw! I think I might be able to do something with a shader I found there :D

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  3doutlaw ()  ( posted at 11:32AM Mon, 09 July 2012 

No problem, glad to help!

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  cspear ()  ( posted at 11:33AM Mon, 09 July 2012 


Here's one I knocked up when PP2012 was first released...


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  hborre ()  ( posted at 11:46AM Mon, 09 July 2012 

Quote - Here's one I knocked up when PP2012 was first released...

Are you talking about the shaders or the old lady?


  cspear ()  ( posted at 12:05PM Mon, 09 July 2012 

Quote -

Are you talking about the shaders or the old lady?

Ha ha! Well, I walked right into that one.


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  LaurieA ()  ( posted at 12:25PM Mon, 09 July 2012 · edited on 12:29PM Mon, 09 July 2012

I get a nice glowing jelly blob.
My hatred of the material room remains unchanged since version 6

;)

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  MistyLaraPrincess ()  ( posted at 1:08PM Mon, 09 July 2012 

luv pearls.  :wub:  and opals with those lil flecks of colors.   opals and pearls are a girl's best friend.  and jade.  and hematite.

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  Hana-Hanabi ()  ( posted at 1:12PM Mon, 09 July 2012 

I'm attempting to hash something together. You want white pearls, yes? And something tweaked to work with pure IDL lighting, myesss?

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  LaurieA ()  ( posted at 1:16PM Mon, 09 July 2012 · edited on 1:17PM Mon, 09 July 2012

Well, I was thinking sort of an off-white pearl...like the kind you see in necklaces...ever so slightly yellow. Cream...yes, that's the word I'm looking for...lol. :P

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  LaurieA ()  ( posted at 1:35PM Mon, 09 July 2012 

Good luck with that shader. I find the material room to be somewhere between sticking a fork in my eye and the seventh level of hell.

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  SamTherapy ()  ( posted at 1:42PM Mon, 09 July 2012 

Quote - luv pearls.  :wub:  and opals with those lil flecks of colors.   opals and pearls are a girl's best friend.  and jade.  and hematite.

I always thought it was chocolate. 

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.

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  LaurieA ()  ( posted at 1:51PM Mon, 09 July 2012 

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I always thought it was chocolate. 

Damn straight...lol.

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  Hana-Hanabi ()  ( posted at 1:52PM Mon, 09 July 2012 


This is what I'm coming up with so far. Excuse slightly crappy render settings and random primitives to test reflections. This is with pure IDL, no specular lights. Cream enough, or needs more yellow?

花 | 美 | 花美 | 花火 
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  MistyLaraPrincess ()  ( posted at 2:11PM Mon, 09 July 2012 

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I always thought it was chocolate. 

Damn straight...lol.

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  LaurieA ()  ( posted at 3:51PM Mon, 09 July 2012 

Quote - This is what I'm coming up with so far. Excuse slightly crappy render settings and random primitives to test reflections. This is with pure IDL, no specular lights. Cream enough, or needs more yellow?

Maybe a bit more creamy? LOL

Don't look bad so far ;).

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  bagginsbill ()  ( posted at 5:09PM Mon, 09 July 2012 


You know this is one of the most difficult materials of all.

I needed a reference image where I control (and can reproduce) the lighting. So I took a magazine (to see reflections) and put some pearls on it and shot the picture.

I attached that to a Poser square, and suspended some Poser pearls and went to work.

I am closer, I think, than last time.

I'm not sure if I am willing to give this one away, though. This belongs in the store - nobody has anything like it. It happens to be using some techniques for thin coatings that I only recently developed. Like a few days ago. I'm getting that ready for the store, too.


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  bagginsbill ()  ( posted at 5:13PM Mon, 09 July 2012 


This is a demo of my new thin coating shader, also known as gel coat, or candy (apple) paint.

All of these objects only have one material zone. The capsules are set up to show you the two-layer shader I developed. The bottom layer can be a dielectric (plain diffuse) or metallic (shiny metal) surface. Above that is the simulation of a thin coat of semi-transparent (colored) material. You can change the base color, as I've demonstrated, although the most common base is diffuse white, or silvery (white) metal. However, gold is commonly used as well and I'm showing that on the third capsule.

The angle between the observer and the material, as well as the Fresnel refraction effect, must both be considered in order to get the color change to come out right. It's some neat math. However, keep in mind there is no refraction here. There are not really two layers of geometry - just one.


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  Miss Nancy ()  ( posted at 5:19PM Mon, 09 July 2012 

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here's one of bill's old pearl shader (not the new one).

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it came with his matmatic distrib.



  LaurieA ()  ( posted at 5:21PM Mon, 09 July 2012 · edited on 5:27PM Mon, 09 July 2012

Yanno BB you really should sell ur shaders in just packs. I'd buy them if I didn't have to buy the furniture too, which I can make myself and don't really want ;).

Just a quick thought: a friend said to me (and I agree) that the fact that MOST of us have to rely on just one person for shader help should tell SM something. Hobbyists don't wanna have to be physicists, geologists or mathmaticians - most of us aren't. And just trying to figure out the boxes and noodles in the material room and what they're doing gives me an instant headache. It just shouldn't be this hard. This is the ONLY program I've ever had a problem with shaders in. I can figure out Blenders, Vue's is a flippin breeze, I can write a shader from scratch for Luxrender without even seeing it...this Poser material room just shouldn't be.

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  LaurieA ()  ( posted at 5:22PM Mon, 09 July 2012 

Content Advisory! Nudity advisory.

Quote -

here's one of bill's old pearl shader (not the new one).

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it came with his matmatic distrib.

I don't use Matmatic. I already think the material room is the seventh level of hell. I'll jump off a bridge using Matmatic.

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  bagginsbill ()  ( posted at 5:28PM Mon, 09 July 2012 


I forgot to mention that I stumbled on the look of pearl by intentionally making the gel coat shader. The gel coat, being obvious in its construction, led to using two speculars and two reflects. I had hit on that before with the pearl shader, somewhat by accident, but I didn't really understand how to go from what I want to see to the values in the shader. That took considerable practice and experimentation.

Now I'm better prepared to create various effects intentionally. In the candy paint set, I've carefully chosen 50 colors that really bring out the effect. It's quite amazing to see these colors appear from setting just one color parameter value. At first it's a mystery why one color is so vibrant while another is not. That's why it's important that I prepared a bunch.

I built five versions of each, so there are 250 presets. There's Candy Paint (normal white base), Candy Silver (white metal base), Candy Gold (gold metal base), Candy Silver Blur (blurry silver base), and Crazy Paint (insane, but physically plausible settings on everything.)

In real life, one of these Crazy Paint jobs would cost around $15K.

The attached image shows Insignia Yellow Crazy Paint.


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  bagginsbill ()  ( posted at 5:31PM Mon, 09 July 2012 

Quote -

Yanno BB you really should sell ur shaders in just packs. I'd buy them if I didn't have to buy the furniture too, which I can make myself and don't really want ;).

Yeah, I'm heading in that direction. The furniture pack wasn't supposed to be about insane collections of shaders. It was supposed to be furniture with a couple good looking options. I got carried away.

You know I'd still charge $11.95 for those. You could buy them and throw the furniture away. *grin* The shaders will work on anything.


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  LaurieA ()  ( posted at 5:32PM Mon, 09 July 2012 

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I'm not sure if I am willing to give this one away, though. This belongs in the store - nobody has anything like it. It happens to be using some techniques for thin coatings that I only recently developed. Like a few days ago. I'm getting that ready for the store, too.

No problem ;). My earrings will just have to remain pearless...lol. ;) Onward and upward! :P

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  Believable3D ()  ( posted at 5:57PM Mon, 09 July 2012 

Quote -

You know this is one of the most difficult materials of all.

I needed a reference image where I control (and can reproduce) the lighting. So I took a magazine (to see reflections) and put some pearls on it and shot the picture.

I attached that to a Poser square, and suspended some Poser pearls and went to work.

I am closer, I think, than last time.

I'm not sure if I am willing to give this one away, though. This belongs in the store - nobody has anything like it. It happens to be using some techniques for thin coatings that I only recently developed. Like a few days ago. I'm getting that ready for the store, too.

Getting there. I think the real pearls have the slightest (more?) tinge of green than your shader there.

Ditto on the materials packs. Easier to tell what is overlap, although I have to admit I do kinda like those furnishings... but I can't say I have much use for a full set of bedroom furniture at the moment.

I think if you sold your materials as themed packs, you'd get loads of sales. E.g.

  • Natural & Stained Woods Collection
  • Painted Wood Collection
  • Polished Metal Collection
  • Painted Metal Collection
  • Gemstone Collection
  • Liquids Collection

Etc.

Just ideas; tinker to suit.

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  Believable3D ()  ( posted at 5:58PM Mon, 09 July 2012 

Of course, I guess the wood materials collections would be almost redundant now, given the furniture sets. :)

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  nfredman ()  ( posted at 7:38PM Mon, 09 July 2012 

But there are different materials in each furniture item!

Really, a Merchant Resource would be scrumptious.


  FaeMoon ()  ( posted at 9:06PM Mon, 09 July 2012 

I would love a set of BB shaders.  I buy so many of ParrotDolphin's Materials, they are incredible fun, but I want to be able to do decent jade and pearls and stuch.


  LaurieA ()  ( posted at 9:07PM Mon, 09 July 2012 

You can already do jade. BB posted a shader for it over at RDNA in the Node Cult.

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